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harrymarlin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:31 am Post subject: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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The person doing the convertible top replacement for my 1967 has taken apart the top, and noted that, while my headliner is off-white perforated vinyl, the C pillars (inner facing wood) are wrapped with what looks like off-white crush vinyl (which I thought wasn't used until the 70s). Does anyone know if this would have been correct?
And, as a side question - does anyone have some spare off-white crush vinyl they would like to get rid of?
Thanks! _________________ -Harry
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Jos.Hall Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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Harry is this the same crush vinyl that was used on the rear tacks? _________________ PM ME TO ADD YOUR '67 TO THE '67 BUG REGISTRY!!!!
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harrymarlin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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Yes, although originally, it appears as though those buttons/tacks are some sort of faux vinyl (that looks like vinyl crush) - but same look, yes!
I forgot to ask someone who has an all original! Is your pillar wrapped in the same material? _________________ -Harry
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VeeDee Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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The sides of the headliner were crush vinyl with the amount of perforation printed on it, not perforated nor clean crush. Only the center was perforated.
Always aircooled
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harrymarlin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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VeeDee wrote: |
The sides of the headliner were crush vinyl with the amount of perforation printed on it, not perforated nor clean crush. Only the center was perforated. |
I don't see perforation marks on the vinyl crush material around the rear pillar. Do you believe it wore off, or is is the below not the material you expected?
_________________ -Harry
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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That same solid type what you call "crush" vinyl material was used for quite a few years to wrap the side facing wood..
Karmann.. is well known to use the scrap up .. just as much as frugal VW
Most likely correct....don't over think it..
I know I've found both perforated and not perforated solid on 65 through 67..
IMO go with what you think looks best.. no set rules on some Karmann built Vw items.. .. no two are alike.
Not exactly cookie cutters.
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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harrymarlin wrote: |
I don't see perforation marks on the vinyl crush material around the rear pillar. Do you believe it wore off, or is is the below not the material you expected?
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This is the same material used on the B pillars of '67 sedans. It is different from the headliner material. It is not the same texture of the headliner vinyl, which is more smooth, whether it's the perforated style or faux perforated style. It would not have faux perforation marks. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
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Herrbern Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:28 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
harrymarlin wrote: |
I don't see perforation marks on the vinyl crush material around the rear pillar. Do you believe it wore off, or is is the below not the material you expected?
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This is the same material used on the B pillars of '67 sedans. It is different from the headliner material. It is not the same texture of the headliner vinyl, which is more smooth, whether it's the perforated style or faux perforated style. It would not have faux perforation marks. |
Same material as yours on my 67 convertible. |
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harrymarlin Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:41 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
Most likely correct....don't over think it.. |
Ha ha ha... I'm probably well past that state...
I'll order some crush material to wrap around the pillar.
Thanks, VOLKSWAGNUT! _________________ -Harry
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67conv Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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Yep! The wooden pillars on my early 1967 (Aug. '66 production) convertible also originally had this so called "crush material" as a wrapping -- factory stapled onto the pillars. They were soiled, tattered and yellowed with age and replaced with perf headliner material when the top was redone back in 1999. I used the original pieces as a template to cut from leftover scrap headliner material, as these pieces were not included in the top kit at that time. The pillars are fairly well covered up by the headliner and are not much noticeable under there. _________________ 1967 VW Convertible, owned /driven /pampered for 34 years.
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Previously owned: 72 "Baja Champion SE" Spec. Edition Super Beetle bought NEW; 79 Convertible bought NEW; 67 type 1 savanna beige; 67 2.0 911S; 73 2.4 911T; 63 356 T6 B Cabriolet; 64 356 SC sunroof coupe; 72 Type-3 Squareback; 68 + 69 Type-3 Fastbacks; 87 Vanagon GL Wasserboxer |
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NavyGeneral Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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Perhaps of general interest: From very detailed procedures on fitting out and installing a top assembly (Workshop Manual VW 1200 1965 supplemented as necessary through January 1967) much mention is made of following materials. PVC, strips of leatherette, Nettle cloth (interesting history nettle cloth), linen sheet, rubberized hair padding, foam rubber, sealing rubber, and probably more that I missed. |
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harrymarlin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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NavyGeneral wrote: |
PVC, strips of leatherette, Nettle cloth (interesting history nettle cloth), linen sheet, rubberized hair padding, foam rubber, sealing rubber, and probably more that I missed. |
Interesting, although I'll have to research what each one of those might mean for my 1967. Now you have me interested in what "Nettle cloth" is.
Thanks, NavyGeneral - your detailed, cited, information is always amazing (were you a researcher in a former life? You always are able to cite your information!). _________________ -Harry
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Jos.Hall Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:16 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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harrymarlin wrote: |
Yes, although originally, it appears as though those buttons/tacks are some sort of faux vinyl (that looks like vinyl crush) - but same look, yes!
I forgot to ask someone who has an all original! Is your pillar wrapped in the same material? |
The original question has already been answered but I can confirm mine is the same as well.
Can't wait to see the assembly pictures _________________ PM ME TO ADD YOUR '67 TO THE '67 BUG REGISTRY!!!!
https://vintagejalopy.com/67bugregistry/vwbugregistry1967_view.php
'67 L41 Sedan 117333192
'67 L41 Vert 157343589
'67 L19K Vert 157452166
'67 L19K Vert ??????
'67 L282 Vert 157419653
'67 L620 Sedan 117534350 (Sold)
'67 L54 Vert 15745800 (Parted out)
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VeeDee Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:35 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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I have a complete and genuine 67 Convertible roof in my workshop.
Tomorrow I can clean and take some pics of the headliner. |
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VeeDee Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Convertible: Two different headliners? |
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Well, as promised...
I took a look on my 66 (sorry, 67 I wrote) headliner, everything was made of crush white vinyl, the middle, the sides , the covers for the woods... |
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