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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:20 am Post subject: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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I'm the new owner of a '93 Eurovan, 2.5L, Manual Trans. It has 95,000 original miles.
After 20 Minutes of driving, the temperature light comes on, blinking. So far, it only quits when I turn the ignition off. The actual temperature gauge reads cool, needle is in the lower half of the gauge. It has enough coolant.
Has anyone experienced this? I've read a few posts but none with the exact same symptoms.
Please advise.
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Joshwa Samba Member
Joined: November 18, 2015 Posts: 810 Location: North Seattle WA
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Thank you for that. Do you think it would be safe to drive 125 miles to pick up a sensor? |
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BatesEV Samba Member
Joined: October 01, 2019 Posts: 184 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:10 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Unplug the sensor and stick a paper clip in the harness. If the light doesn’t go out then it’s somewhere else. Mine ended up being the solder convection on the cluster. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22648 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:57 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Jared Boyd wrote: |
Thank you for that. Do you think it would be safe to drive 125 miles to pick up a sensor? |
Safe with highly enhanced situational awareness.
The danger is you have a hose failure or the like, lose coolant, overheat, and cook your engine.
One trick is to run the heater and pay attention to any change in output heat - thats a warning that coolant has gone.
I would make that trip , but I am a risk taker and also know the state of all my cooling group components on every car I own. _________________ .ssS! |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2020 Posts: 10
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:21 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Thank you. I'll take the truck and sort things out when I return. Per the other fellas suggestion, I did disconnect the sensor and used a paper clip to see if I couldn't get the light to turn off. I placed each end of the clip on the contacts while watching the light, still blinking.
I'll look into the connections further down the line next.
Thanks for the responses, people! |
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rcowan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:16 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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I emailed this to you Jared but to benefit others down the road, I've found this link helpful when it isn't the sensor in the coolant bottle.
http://www.1946vw.co.uk/vwbooks/vw_info/t4_gauges.htm |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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So, if the temperature gauge is holding steady after an hour of driving around town (under 35mph) and idling, am I still at risk to try and drive a few hundred miles? I have no interest in cooking my engine and have another vehicle, but naturally, I want to take her out of town. It is what I purchased it for after all.
And If I sound like I want someone to tell me to "go for it," I'm not. I'm just trying to un-rationalize my thinking if I should.
Soon I'll check the solder joints.
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22648 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Jared
Get an OBD tool and see if you can monitor the coolant temperature on a smart phone. If the sensor is good and the display is acting up, the ECU may have the right temperature you can monitor. _________________ .ssS! |
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subdewd Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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1993 no OBD2
Most likely safe. But if you have another vehicle why
take a slight risk |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:24 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Ok. I've got the instrument board out and on my work bench. I can't see cracks in the solder with the magnifying tools I have but Im going to assume they are there and re-solder anyway. BUT! I was instructed to remove the little voltage regulator below these six solder points and it isn't moving! I can see it will break off completely if it wasn't intended to be removed. Does this infact get removed? Can I just solder with it in place or will the heat do damage?
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rcowan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:31 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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In my experience, the voltage regulator has always been in a socket. That looks like someone has been there already and modified it.
Possibly they thought the socket was the problem and soldered it directly? I would be concerned that the heat of the solder would kill the regulator. A new socket and regulator may be in order here. Obviously, I don't know from here but that is my guess. |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:43 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Yea, I noticed a difference when looking at other pictures too. Hummm.
You feeling better?
Jared |
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subdewd Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:28 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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With the low wattage iron you have I would just solder it. After it flows hit it with the top of a small screwdriver to sink the heat away quickly |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:30 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Here is another view of the Regulator:
Also, I just talked to a VW Mechanic at VW and he said something about a sensor in the head that may be bad???? Thoughts?
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22648 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:48 am Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Jared Boyd wrote: |
Here is another view of the Regulator:
Also, I just talked to a VW Mechanic at VW and he said something about a sensor in the head that may be bad???? Thoughts?
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Sorry about the idiot suggestion on OBD reader FAIL!
Yes, thats a charlie foxtrot solder job
Can you plug the board in and see what the pinout voltages are to see if its clamping the voltage correctly? _________________ .ssS! |
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Broseph Stalin Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2018 Posts: 433 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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I had an OBD-1 adaptor cable for the '95 that plugged into the OBD-2 code reader. _________________ '68 Bus in West Germany, 1977-1979
'67 Riviera poptop conversion in the US, 1984-1990
'95 EVC Winnie, 2018, Sold
'03 EVC Winnie, 2018, Sold |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2020 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Ok.
Off the voltage regulator I get:
5v on leads 1 and 3
No response on leads 1 and 2
And 2 or 3v between 2 and 3
Please advise.
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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I think it’s supposed to a 10V regulator.
One pin should have B+
Middle pin is ground
Other pin is 10 V regulated
Google the itt tca700y part to get the data sheet _________________ .ssS! |
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Jared Boyd Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: 93 Eurovan Blinking Temperature Light |
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Ok...again
I put it all back together and went for the longest drive yet, to a 11,000ft pass 7 miles from town. The light never came back on until I returned home or, close to..When the light came back on, the temperature gauge went to zero suddenly. I was 1 mile from parking at that point. I wondered if it were a loose connection and tapped on the dash, instrument pane. The temperature gauge came back to life but the light kept flashing. HUmmm.
Once I returned home and almost turned it off, I let it idle for a minute and it pulsed as if it were getting intermittent gas or passage thought the fuel filter. It kind of pulsed between 500 and 1500 RPM. I turned it off and went inside for e drink.
Coolant level is still Normal. |
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