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Clatter Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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So I got me three of those new ISP gauges here..
Based upon past experience, it always seems hard to get lights the same brightness.
Speedo and gas gauge are all dim, and the aftermarket gauges are really bright.
And that got me to thinking about sizing wires..
Here we have three gauges in their little bracket,
And how I -planned- on wiring up the grounds.
Stopped after putting a couple ends on,
Because I started feeling like I was under-sizing the wire.
(Pretty cool you can crimp three wires in one end with these new crimpers ).
Using some brown ground wire from an old harness,
The wire ends up being what the diagram lists as a 0,5 size - a.k.a. 20AWG.
Didn't put the ends on yet,
But,
Notice that both the light bulbs _and_ the gauges themselves need a ground wire.
Was planning on just 'hopping' over and making one harness up for all grounds
(Remember, I haven't put the ends on at the bulb holders yet they're just tucked up there).
So,
Am I signing myself up for some wonky gauge readings and dim bulbs?
Thinking of how they use these big steel buss bars for grounds..
Don't the grounds need to be a bigger gauge?
Making up the light wires,
Using a bit of old harness,
Funny how they have sideways stripes, long-ways, and spiral,
All in the same harness!
Anyways,
Input from out electrical gurus here is much appreciated.
Stoked to be taking my wiring up a notch.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Your current draw is pretty tiny, I would think that 20 AWG would work fine. If your aftermarket gauges are too bright when you have dimmed the rest of the dash lights you could add a resister in series with them assuming the gauges have incandescent bulbs. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Clatter wrote: |
(Pretty cool you can crimp three wires in one end with these new crimpers ).
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That lower one on the right didn't close around the insulation, are you sure you are loading the terminals in the crimper correctly?
As for gauge I think you are fine, as WT's says there's no real draw there (unless you have an ammeter). _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Again assuming you have incandescent bulbs you could just buy lower wattage bulbs, there are many different wattages out there. |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Stock bus instrument/gauge bulbs are 1.2 watts. Aftermarket stuff is frequently something like 5 watt.
WAY too bright IMO. The little 1.2 bulbs were even on a circuit with a dimmer. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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I had the same issue with some VDO gauges. Telford created a trimming circuit that I built. It allows me to trim the non-factory gauges to the rest of the cluster so they all match. Once trimmed they all go up and down together at the same brightness.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7545 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Thanks for the help gentlemen.
Unfortunately it’ll be a while before i get to see how it works.
Looks factory, though, eh?
Love my new crimper and ends.
Even if it has a bit of trouble doing two or three wires at once..
The strain relief part that crimps the insulation doesn’t really bite,
But it sure smooshes the tar out of out of the copper wire.
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:19 am Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Clatter wrote: |
Thanks for the help gentlemen.
Unfortunately it’ll be a while before i get to see how it works.
Looks factory, though, eh?
Love my new crimper and ends.
Even if it has a bit of trouble doing two or three wires at once..
The strain relief part that crimps the insulation doesn’t really bite,
But it sure smooshes the tar out of out of the copper wire.
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I've not come across ISP gauges before! what do the faces, pointers and bezels look like?
I'm not sure that VW-factory wiring for gauges ever looked like that; especially as they tended to minimise the total length of wiring used. However, they did use some nice 3-way connector blocks on the VDO gauges.
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Clatter Samba Member
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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I don't think any of these would suit my early-1973 model-year VW "1600" Type 2 Kombi - Type 23-517.
https://www.vwispwest.com/GAUGE-SETS
https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903RDY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1
https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903WHY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1
https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903RDY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1
I seriously question whether one would get a representative oil-temperature reading using the following three-gauge-sender adapter, given that the oil is static rather than flowing past the senders:
https://www.vwispwest.com/RS-SENDER?p=YzE9MjU2 _________________ Regards.
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telford dorr Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges |
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Looks good so far. I'd recommend adding some 1 inch lengths of 1/4 inch shrink tubing on all terminals (except maybe ground). Will prevent arcs and sparks in the future.
Adding resistance in series with the aux gauge lights will make them the same brightness as the normal dash lights (experiment - maybe 18 ohms, 2 watt). _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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