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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:14 pm    Post subject: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

So I got me three of those new ISP gauges here..

Based upon past experience, it always seems hard to get lights the same brightness.

Speedo and gas gauge are all dim, and the aftermarket gauges are really bright.

And that got me to thinking about sizing wires..

Here we have three gauges in their little bracket,
And how I -planned- on wiring up the grounds.

Stopped after putting a couple ends on,
Because I started feeling like I was under-sizing the wire.
(Pretty cool you can crimp three wires in one end with these new crimpers Cool ).

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Using some brown ground wire from an old harness,
The wire ends up being what the diagram lists as a 0,5 size - a.k.a. 20AWG.

Didn't put the ends on yet,
But,
Notice that both the light bulbs _and_ the gauges themselves need a ground wire.
Was planning on just 'hopping' over and making one harness up for all grounds
(Remember, I haven't put the ends on at the bulb holders yet they're just tucked up there).
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So,
Am I signing myself up for some wonky gauge readings and dim bulbs?

Thinking of how they use these big steel buss bars for grounds..
Don't the grounds need to be a bigger gauge?



Making up the light wires,
Using a bit of old harness,
Funny how they have sideways stripes, long-ways, and spiral,
All in the same harness! Laughing
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Anyways,
Input from out electrical gurus here is much appreciated.

Stoked to be taking my wiring up a notch.. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Your current draw is pretty tiny, I would think that 20 AWG would work fine. If your aftermarket gauges are too bright when you have dimmed the rest of the dash lights you could add a resister in series with them assuming the gauges have incandescent bulbs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:

(Pretty cool you can crimp three wires in one end with these new crimpers Cool ).

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That lower one on the right didn't close around the insulation, are you sure you are loading the terminals in the crimper correctly?

As for gauge I think you are fine, as WT's says there's no real draw there (unless you have an ammeter).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Again assuming you have incandescent bulbs you could just buy lower wattage bulbs, there are many different wattages out there.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Stock bus instrument/gauge bulbs are 1.2 watts. Aftermarket stuff is frequently something like 5 watt.
WAY too bright IMO. The little 1.2 bulbs were even on a circuit with a dimmer.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

I had the same issue with some VDO gauges. Telford created a trimming circuit that I built. It allows me to trim the non-factory gauges to the rest of the cluster so they all match. Once trimmed they all go up and down together at the same brightness.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Thanks for the help gentlemen.

Unfortunately it’ll be a while before i get to see how it works.

Looks factory, though, eh?

Love my new crimper and ends. Cool

Even if it has a bit of trouble doing two or three wires at once..
The strain relief part that crimps the insulation doesn’t really bite,
But it sure smooshes the tar out of out of the copper wire.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Thanks for the help gentlemen.

Unfortunately it’ll be a while before i get to see how it works.

Looks factory, though, eh?

Love my new crimper and ends. Cool

Even if it has a bit of trouble doing two or three wires at once..
The strain relief part that crimps the insulation doesn’t really bite,
But it sure smooshes the tar out of out of the copper wire.


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I've not come across ISP gauges before! what do the faces, pointers and bezels look like?

I'm not sure that VW-factory wiring for gauges ever looked like that; especially as they tended to minimise the total length of wiring used. However, they did use some nice 3-way connector blocks on the VDO gauges.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

https://www.vwispwest.com/DepartmentsTYPE3-ACCESSORIESISP-GAUGES
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
https://www.vwispwest.com/DepartmentsTYPE3-ACCESSORIESISP-GAUGES


I don't think any of these would suit my early-1973 model-year VW "1600" Type 2 Kombi - Type 23-517.

https://www.vwispwest.com/GAUGE-SETS

https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903RDY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1

https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903WHY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1

https://www.vwispwest.com/311018903RDY.html?p=YzE9Mjg1

I seriously question whether one would get a representative oil-temperature reading using the following three-gauge-sender adapter, given that the oil is static rather than flowing past the senders:

https://www.vwispwest.com/RS-SENDER?p=YzE9MjU2
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Sizing Wires for Gauges Reply with quote

Looks good so far. I'd recommend adding some 1 inch lengths of 1/4 inch shrink tubing on all terminals (except maybe ground). Will prevent arcs and sparks in the future.

Adding resistance in series with the aux gauge lights will make them the same brightness as the normal dash lights (experiment - maybe 18 ohms, 2 watt).
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