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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Appreciate all the input! I ended up buying a nut splitter, but still slightly nicked the threads on the shock. It's impossible to see how far in you are to the nut in such tight quarters. New springs get here tomorrow. Hopefully I can continue with these shocks for another couple months until I can afford some Bilsteins or otherwise.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

I was able to cut down on either side of the shock stud into the nut with a sawzall which just slightly scuffed the threads on the shock. The nut was destroyed, but easy enough to replace.

I was replacing the shocks at the time, so it didn't really matter. However, I easily could have chased the threads and re-used the shocks.

I will remember wildthings double nut trick for future reference, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

I wasn't planning on replacing my 3 year old shock, but I'm doing control arm bushings, tie rods, new springs, etc.

But, I crushed the end of the shock so bad with the vise grips that there was no way I was going to re-install it successfully. I agree the nut splitter would have been a good idea if I hadn't gorilla fisted it already. I need to buy one of those to keep in my tool kit.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

SurfaceRust wrote:
Sounds like a lot of you guys destroying shocks when a nut splitter would do the job and not damage the shock at all.... just saying


I own a sawzall. I don't own a nut splitter. If shocks are getting thrown in the trash anyway. What's the problem?

BTW...Nut Splitter? OUCH!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Double nutting when you put on new shocks will protect the threads nicely. If you double nut on your old shocks it COULD cause the original nut to break free as it is reversing the forces on the threads. Two strong hands using real Vice Grip brand pliers will usually hold well enough to get the nut to come free.

Using LOW strength Loctite when going back together can make the nut easier to remove the next time as it seals water, salt, and oxygen out of the threads.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Sounds like a lot of you guys destroying shocks when a nut splitter would do the job and not damage the shock at all.... just saying
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

For the recessed hex head shock absorber shafts I use a cut down Allen key with a piece of tubing for an extension handle. The 17MM ratching box wrench on the nut lets me swing away with the Allen key.

For the ones with two flats, I use my Citroen bellhousing bolt socket. Who knew that I'd ever find another use for it?!? Shocked Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Are you replacing the shocks? If so just cut through the rubber bushing and shaft with a sawzall. Make sure you have replacement bushing of course. that bushing is dry rotted enough that it should be replaced anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

I just had to Sawzall out a shock that had been place for less than 3 years. No visible corrosion but it would not move using a 6mm (I think) wrench as an anchor on those flat points, and, with vise grips, it rounded off. The metal seems very soft and to get the vise grips tight enough, I was deforming the metal.

So yeah- a cover and anti-seize will be used on the replacement.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

^^^ Great idea, especially if you first grease <or> antisieze the exposed threads ...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

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Iím confused as to the designed and proper way to do this. It doesnít make sense that there would be a nut could be turned out without a way to secure a tool on the shaft. Any ideas? Iím down to cut some shit up, but Iíd rather have that be a last resort.


After you replace the shocks or nut put a thread protector on them. May save you some other aggravation in the future.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

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Next, there might be considerable force placed on these threads between the shock and the nut if the shock is at full extension. Have you tried jacking upward from the bottom of the shock to relieve some of this thread pressure?

Jim Davis


A while ago this was the trick for me, jack the control arm up with the shock in place. My bolts looked way worse but came off very easy.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

The shaft threaded portion has very little stress on it. It is in compression mostly. Some small nicks will not sacrifice function.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Yes, I tried vice grips on the shaft but it bent the metal before it would consistently hold.

Thereís no trace of corrosion here, so Iím confused as to why it would be difficult to turn. Iím going to try vice grips again tomorrow, much tighter this time.

Thereís so little space to operate the dremel that I donít want to risk cutting into the shaft again.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

There is always some way designed to hold the top of the shaft to tighten or loosen the nut. That does not mean it is always adequate if the nut is stuck on due to corrosion. My shock shaft has a 6mm allen head recessed in it. I have to take a small piece of cut off allen wrench 6mm and an open end wrench to hold the shaft. PITA but it works.

Hmm that may be smaller than 6mm. It has been a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

All the Vanagon front shocks I've used have a threaded shaft on top that has two flat sides to allow using an open-end wrench or a vice grips. You hold the shaft from turning as you turn the nut. Your photos show that your shock shaft has these flat sides, and I assume that's what you used to hold the shaft. looks like it was not up to the force applied and began breaking instead of allowing the nut to turn.

Since you've gone through so much already, I'll ask an admittedly stupid question. Are you turning the nut the proper direction?

Next, there might be considerable force placed on these threads between the shock and the nut if the shock is at full extension. Have you tried jacking upward from the bottom of the shock to relieve some of this thread pressure?

Agreeing with advice above, heat and penetrant like PB Blaster are your friends.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Most shocks have a head on top to put a wrench on but quite often you have to just cut them off. You donít have to remove shocks to often unless you are replacing them. I am glad to see you got it done. John
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Thanks everybody!

I use my Dremel to cut off the bolt, but unfortunately damaged the threaded shaft in the process.

Now Iím at the other side (drivers) and having the same issue.

Iím confused as to the designed and proper way to do this. It doesnít make sense that there would be a nut could be turned out without a way to secure a tool on the shaft. Any ideas? Iím down to cut some shit up, but Iíd rather have that be a last resort.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Unable to remove upper front shock nut Reply with quote

Although if needed you can create one....
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