Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Tiico repair and smog in CA
Page: 1, 2  Next
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
swissarmychainsaw
Samba Member


Joined: March 02, 2019
Posts: 279
Location: San Francisco
swissarmychainsaw is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:23 am    Post subject: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Hello!

I've been shopping for Vanagons a bit, and I have found a couple that have Tiico conversions. I'm trying to figure out if the Tiico is worth the trouble before me.

Both of the ones I'm interested in have broken exhaust flanges.

One of them WAS in CA but is now out of state.

I called Chris at FAS and he said they don't sell the old style exhaust anymore and that I'd have to upgrade the cradle for the new style (making this a $2,000-ish repair).

I've been told by a reputable Vanagon repair/engine change shop that the Tiico executive order is messed up and getting a Tiico past smog could be a real challenge.

My question:
1. Anyone in California fix their broken Tiico exhaust successfully, and how?
(I'm assuming most have had something fabricated)

2. Anyone have Tiico smog experience in CA to share? Easy? Difficult?
Worth the trouble?

Thanks!
--Nick


Last edited by swissarmychainsaw on Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:54 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

swissarmychainsaw wrote:
Hello!

I've been shopping for Vanagons a bit, and I have found a couple that have Tiico conversions. I'm trying to figure out if the Tiico is worth the trouble before me.

Both of the ones I'm interested in have broken exhaust flanges.

One of them WAS in CA but is not out of state.

I called Chris at FAS and he said they don't sell the old style exhaust anymore and that I'd have to upgrade the cradle for the new style (making this a $2,000-ish repair).

I've been told by a reputable Vanagon repair/engine change shop that the Tiico executive order is messed up and getting a Tiico past smog could be a real challenge.

My question:
1. Anyone in California fix their broken Tiico exhaust successfully, and how?
(I'm assuming most have had something fabricated)

2. Anyone have Tiico smog experience in CA to share? Easy? Difficult?
Worth the trouble?

Thanks!
--Nick


Well, whether it's worth it or not is kind of your call. I don't have any experience in CA on the Tiico situation, although I did have my broken flange welded up in SF during the last major trip I took with mine. All of them either have been, are, or will be broken. Just a major design flaw.

However, Chris may not have discussed it with you, but you'd get much more with the whole cradle conversion than just a header repair. You'd get rid of most of the - IMO/IME - miserable vibrations from the Tiico, and with some work on the air filter you can reduce the loud annoying drone the original setup has.

Tiicos are all over the map as to how they perform and how reliable and long-lived they are. Some people love theirs, I hated mine for 13 years. The little extra power was nice, but that was it for me. I might've just gone with the FAS cradle conversion for mine, but after 55K the rings in #1 were heading South in big way (20% leakdown vs 3-5% on the other three) so I ditched it for a FAS GenV. The cradle conversion would've made the ergonomics much better (same setup the GenV has) but I had the coin so...
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 17014
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Nick, it would be nice to see the broken exhaust. That’s probably not possible. If the cast iron exhaust manifold is broken, someone that specializes in cast iron welding can probably fix it. The rest of the exhaust is mild steel and is weldable.

The Tiico name is sort of like the word Kleenex. It describes a 4 vw in-line conversion. I have zero experience with CA emission testing, but from reading you need the CARB sticker. Otherwise it’s like peeing up a rope to get the van legal in CA.

So, offer accordingly. It could be quite a few headaches before you are able to use it. If that doesn’t scare you off go for it. Otherwise look to get one that is CA legal and plan to pay a little more up front. This will bump your post.
_________________
☮️
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:


The Tiico name is sort of like the word Kleenex. It describes a 4 vw in-line conversion.


Some may use it that way, but the Tiico was a complete conversion kit from South Africa. It didn't use the diesel mounting system or bell housing. It's a 2LR motor not sold here - a 1.8L block and head with a 2.0L crankshaft and rods, with 2.5L pistons to compensate for the rod length and maintain deck height. It has a Motronic 9.0 FI system also never sold here in the US.

It's a *totally* different beast, and is not an engine configuration VAG ever produced. Built by Remtec, a rebuilder in SA. Hence why some are OK, some are trash, and some have gone 100s of K miles. Luck of the draw.
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 17014
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

khughes wrote:
MarkWard wrote:


The Tiico name is sort of like the word Kleenex. It describes a 4 vw in-line conversion.


Some may use it that way, but the Tiico was a complete conversion kit from South Africa. It didn't use the diesel mounting system or bell housing. It's a 2LR motor not sold here - a 1.8L block and head with a 2.0L crankshaft and rods, with 2.5L pistons to compensate for the rod length and maintain deck height. It has a Motronic 9.0 FI system also never sold here in the US.

It's a *totally* different beast, and is not an engine configuration VAG ever produced. Built by Remtec, a rebuilder in SA. Hence why some are OK, some are trash, and some have gone 100s of K miles. Luck of the draw.


Kleenex is also a product. My point is the word Tiico gets thrown around alot when describing a 4 cylinder vw inline conversion, but may not be a Tiico or CARB legal. So buyer beware. I believe Kennedy Engineering had a CA legal inline 4 vw conversion at one time. No idea if FAS has a CARB legal kit.
_________________
☮️
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
swissarmychainsaw
Samba Member


Joined: March 02, 2019
Posts: 279
Location: San Francisco
swissarmychainsaw is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:

Kleenex is also a product. My point is the word Tiico gets thrown around alot when describing a 4 cylinder vw inline conversion, but may not be a Tiico or CARB legal. So buyer beware. I believe Kennedy Engineering had a CA legal inline 4 vw conversion at one time. No idea if FAS has a CARB legal kit.


This is actually a very good point. I believe ONE of them is "Tiico Kit" and the other is an ABA 2.0 with 1.8 heads from a Jetta. Which is similar, but not the same (?) I now very little about these right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
Kleenex is also a product. My point is the word Tiico gets thrown around alot when describing a 4 cylinder vw inline conversion, but may not be a Tiico or CARB legal. So buyer beware. I believe Kennedy Engineering had a CA legal inline 4 vw conversion at one time. No idea if FAS has a CARB legal kit.


I've never heard it used that way personally. The point is that Tiico and any VAG in-line conversion are totally different beasts. VAG inlines are factory engines, the Tiico is not, and it has a host of issues that VAG factory engines don't.

I would not be surprised if Tiicos are having CARB issues now since if you read the EO "approving" them, the parts used in the kit (Manifolds and ECU) are not the parts approved in the EO - the approved parts are Audi P/Ns. Do the look for that? I don't know, never had to go through the CA inspection so maybe some CA Tiico owners will chime in.

Tiico has been out of business for quite a while now, although FAS will still sell parts and/or rebuilds for the 2LR platform. FAS doesn't have a CARB certified kit at this time although from what I hear their diesel conversions could probably be waivered in CA. I think Stephens Autohaus has the only truly CARB certified I-4 with their 1.8T conversion.
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 17014
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

A common DIY conversion was to swap out a 1.6 diesel engine with a 1.8 GTI engine. Most of the parts swapped over. It utilized the diesel bellhousing, mounting system as well as the exhaust. It was fairly straight forward.

Problem was there were a limited number of diesel powered vanagons sold in the US. So I believe Kennedy was one of the first to use a pancake engine bellhousing and starter with an adapter plate and flywheel.

There is a company no affiliation in CA that sells a 1.8 Turbo kit that they did get CARB approved. I believe the company is Stephens or something similar. That's probably more of a sure thing. Plus it would be a heck of a ride. From reading Subaru 2.2 from Kennedy is CARB approved. Not so sure about the Ford Zetec or Bostig conversion.

As I said, you need to do your homework and may have to jump some hurdles. I also must emphasize I have no experience getting a vanagon conversion legal in CA. I would be suspect if the seller said something like, "its really no big deal". Sort of like when the add says has AC, but needs a charge. You read through older threads and there are plenty of stories getting a stock Vanagon to pass smog. Good luck.
_________________
☮️
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Vanagon Nut
Samba Member


Joined: February 08, 2008
Posts: 10347
Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
Vanagon Nut is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

It's too bad this hinges on CARB. I'm pretty sure a 1.8 8V exhaust manifold would bolt up to the Tiico head. If so, that plus a custom downpipe, 2.1 WBX cat, 1.9 WBX muffler might be more cost effective and/or less hassle over the long term VS repairing the original Tiico exhaust.

I thought maybe FAS had dropped this product but it seems they are offering it again:

http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories...ptYBHeZOV4

Neil.
_________________
1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Vanagon Nut wrote:
It's too bad this hinges on CARB. I'm pretty sure a 1.8 8V exhaust manifold would bolt up to the Tiico head. If so, that plus a custom downpipe, 2.1 WBX cat, 1.9 WBX muffler might be more cost effective and/or less hassle over the long term VS repairing the original Tiico exhaust.

I thought maybe FAS had dropped this product but it seems they are offering it again:

http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories...ptYBHeZOV4

Neil.


They did Neil. If you look at the second picture it says the original one is NLA and shows the new style that's built for the FAS mounting system.
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
82westyrabbit
Samba Member


Joined: March 02, 2015
Posts: 957
Location: Ma
82westyrabbit is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Hi swissarmychainsaw. I installed a used Ticco engine in my van a few years. I don’t think I go that route again. It was easy for me and got my van running a lot sooner than if I had gone a different route. Compared to the 1.8 golf engine I removed the engine has a lot more vibration at certain rpm’s. FAS in Maine dose wonderful support for this conversation but when it comes to the fuel injection they are the only game. I my case I just custom made my complete exsust using a golf exsust manifold myself. I don’t think I would play the Ticco game in California. Your van is a turbo diesel now if I am correct ? Is there a problem with that engine other than power. Despite my negativity I am pretty happy with the Ticco engine in my van. If you decided to go this route their are a few of us here that have a experience with them to help you out. John
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Jake de Villiers
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2007
Posts: 5911
Location: Tsawwassen, BC
Jake de Villiers is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:

There is a company no affiliation in CA that sells a 1.8 Turbo kit that they did get CARB approved. I believe the company is Stephens or something similar.

Stephan's Autohaus in Sacramento got an EO for the 1.8T.
_________________
'84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
@jakedevilliersmusic1
http://sites.google.com/site/subyjake/mydixiedarlin%27
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
www.thebassspa.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Vanagon Nut
Samba Member


Joined: February 08, 2008
Posts: 10347
Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
Vanagon Nut is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

khughes wrote:
Vanagon Nut wrote:


I thought maybe FAS had dropped this product but it seems they are offering it again:

http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories...ptYBHeZOV4

Neil.


They did Neil. If you look at the second picture it says the original one is NLA and shows the new style that's built for the FAS mounting system.


Ha. In bold print no less. Ok. Don't know why they show that image beside "in stock". Anyhow......

I was an "early" adopter of the single outlet manifold. Of course others have used it, use it, e.g. like the diesel manifold on the early swaps Mark referenced, but FAS obviously figured that stuff out way beyond what I was capable of. i.e. in my case, sheer desperation over failures with previous fetid versions I'd made provided real incentive to experiment further with a simpler design.

I sure like FAS' work.

Neil.
_________________
1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Zeitgeist 13
Samba Member


Joined: March 05, 2009
Posts: 12103
Location: Port Manteau
Zeitgeist 13 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

If I were in CA, I'd buy a Tiico van and just use its install bits to swap over to a TDI engine, and be done with CARB once and for all.
_________________
Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
termuehlen Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 02, 2012
Posts: 986
Location: Redwood City
termuehlen is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

There is an approved Executive Order for a Tiico conversion in California. More information about that here...

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=637404&highlight=tiico

In theory, if your conversion complies with the executive order, and it is still accepted by the State, you should be able to get it smogged in California.
_________________
1988 Westfalia automatic Subaru OBD1
1986 syncro tintop wbx
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

termuehlen wrote:
There is an approved Executive Order for a Tiico conversion in California. More information about that here...

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=637404&highlight=tiico

In theory, if your conversion complies with the executive order, and it is still accepted by the State, you should be able to get it smogged in California.


Like I said earlier, I don't know how closely the smog shops look at things, but that EO specifies the Audi ECU part number 893 907 404 whereas the Tiico is actually an RSU 906 258.

Something the OP might want to know before deciding...
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Vanagon Nut wrote:
khughes wrote:
Vanagon Nut wrote:


I thought maybe FAS had dropped this product but it seems they are offering it again:

http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories...ptYBHeZOV4

Neil.


They did Neil. If you look at the second picture it says the original one is NLA and shows the new style that's built for the FAS mounting system.


Ha. In bold print no less. Ok. Don't know why they show that image beside "in stock". Anyhow......

I was an "early" adopter of the single outlet manifold. Of course others have used it, use it, e.g. like the diesel manifold on the early swaps Mark referenced, but FAS obviously figured that stuff out way beyond what I was capable of. i.e. in my case, sheer desperation over failures with previous fetid versions I'd made provided real incentive to experiment further with a simpler design.

I sure like FAS' work.

Neil.


I do to, the design and machining are top notch. I absolutely love my setup now. Like a different vehicle altogether being able to move seamlessly with traffic on and off the highways.

Never get CARB buy-in in a hundred years, even though it's way cleaner than my WBX ever was. With almost twice the power, and better mileage - but no, not good enough. CARB has done some great work, and the air in CA shows it, big time, but some of their rules just don't make sense. If it's cleaner on a dyno test, why should it matter what's in there? That I don't get.

Seems to me I mentioned that pic of the 6-bolt header to Jon quite some time ago, but it's still there. Fooled me when I first looked at it too Embarassed
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Vanagon Nut
Samba Member


Joined: February 08, 2008
Posts: 10347
Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
Vanagon Nut is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

khughes wrote:


Seems to me I mentioned that pic of the 6-bolt header to Jon quite some time ago, but it's still there. Fooled me when I first looked at it too Embarassed


It occurred to me later that it might just be good marketing. A sort of lost leader if you will. Tiico owner sees it, then they see the sexy set up below it. Wink

swissarmychainsaw: as mentioned, if you can post pics of the exhaust issue, sure would help. You never know. You may get lucky with a repair to patch it up. I know squat about cast iron welding but someone here likely will. All I know is that it's a bit of a "black art" in part requiring pre heating..... via breath of a unicorn or some other voodoo. Wink

Neil.
_________________
1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
khughes
Samba Member


Joined: July 13, 2013
Posts: 736
Location: Phoenix AZ
khughes is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

Vanagon Nut wrote:
khughes wrote:


Seems to me I mentioned that pic of the 6-bolt header to Jon quite some time ago, but it's still there. Fooled me when I first looked at it too Embarassed


It occurred to me later that it might just be good marketing. A sort of lost leader if you will. Tiico owner sees it, then they see the sexy set up below it. Wink

swissarmychainsaw: as mentioned, if you can post pics of the exhaust issue, sure would help. You never know. You may get lucky with a repair to patch it up. I know squat about cast iron welding but someone here likely will. All I know is that it's a bit of a "black art" in part requiring pre heating..... via breath of a unicorn or some other voodoo. Wink

Neil.


They almost always crack in the actual down pipe, at the manifold flange. Mine did the same. They just like to keep cracking next to the weld, kinda depends on how good of shape they're in. Mine had zero rust, living here in the desert, so just metal fatigue from vibrations. The more rust, the less successful repairing would be is my guess. A lot of folks have built their own, or had them built which is cheaper than the FAS approach, but the FAS hydraulic system also gets rid of other issues as well for the extra coin.
_________________
'86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
swissarmychainsaw
Samba Member


Joined: March 02, 2019
Posts: 279
Location: San Francisco
swissarmychainsaw is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Tiico repair and smog in CA Reply with quote

khughes wrote:


Tiico has been out of business for quite a while now, although FAS will still sell parts and/or rebuilds for the 2LR platform. FAS doesn't have a CARB certified kit at this time although from what I hear their diesel conversions could probably be waivered in CA. I think Stephens Autohaus has the only truly CARB certified I-4 with their 1.8T conversion.


I talked to FAS and they said they no longer sell the original exhaust, and that you can buy new hanger, mounts and then an exhaust, which totalled something like 2K. At that money, I'd be all over subaru.

MarkWard wrote:
...

There is a company no affiliation in CA that sells a 1.8 Turbo kit that they did get CARB approved. I believe the company is Stephens or something similar. That's probably more of a sure thing. Plus it would be a heck of a ride. From reading Subaru 2.2 from Kennedy is CARB approved. Not so sure about the Ford Zetec or Bostig conversion.
...


Yep that's Stephans Autohaus in Sacramento. I called and talked with him, really good guy. He made me think the Tiico route is not where to put your money (at this point)

82westyrabbit wrote:
.... Your van is a turbo diesel now if I am correct ? Is there a problem with that engine other than power. Despite my negativity I am pretty happy with the Ticco engine in my van. If you decided to go this route their are a few of us here that have a experience with them to help you out. John


Yes, my Van has a TD, but the one I was looking at is a syncro.
I am really liking my van, but I do some remote family camping (with my suburban) and a 4wd Van seems like a great idea (except for the price).

I'm really beginning to love the little diesel. I could use more power for hills for sure, but I got 25mpg out of my last tank, and I ... well, I like life at 55mph!

Vanagon Nut wrote:

...
swissarmychainsaw: as mentioned, if you can post pics of the exhaust issue, sure would help. You never know. You may get lucky with a repair to patch it up. I know squat about cast iron welding but someone here likely will. All I know is that it's a bit of a "black art" in part requiring pre heating..... via breath of a unicorn or some other voodoo. Wink

Neil.


It's a good point, but I don't have access to either of the vans I'm looking at.
I am just trying to figure out if "this is the kind of trouble I want in my life" LOL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.