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teahead Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Yes, it has a stamped apron and it looks legit:
I see no hammer marks anywhere and it lays flat and is smooth. They would have had to spend an enormous time hammering and smoothing that aluminum out.
Why go through all the trouble of stamping the weights and the TYP, but not the VIN??? _________________ '63 German Walk-Thru Deluxe 15-window - SOLD |
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EverettB Administrator
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teahead Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2019 Posts: 326 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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EverettB wrote: |
I still think it's the wrong plate for your month/year Bus.
Maybe the VIN plate was missing and someone found an earlier but similar one and flattened the existing VIN #? |
Maybe.
Here's a 1962 with a very similar tag. Would like to see more 1963 tags.
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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teahead wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
I still think it's the wrong plate for your month/year Bus.
Maybe the VIN plate was missing and someone found an earlier but similar one and flattened the existing VIN #? |
Maybe.
Here's a 1962 with a very similar tag. Would like to see more 1963 tags.
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I think EB may have the ticket.
Did you try searching the gallery for pics?? |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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I agree with this, it looks like it's been flattened to me. there are all kinds of small tools that could have been used to do this
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Clara wrote: |
The numbers on this one look odd:
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This looks to be the doctored VIN plate on the MG/PW 15window that sold for $200K years back. I believe it was in a big auction in AZ and once the auction company found out about the fake vin they pulled it from the auction. I have not heard anything about it since
teahead wrote: |
Not sure if it has been missed in the factory, or if this is a repro tag, or...
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In this pic it looks to me like the raised VIN numbers that should be there were hammered down like the previous pic just not restamped with another number. Not sure on post 63 VIN plates but early bus had RAISED numbers not stamped numbers like the fake plate.
I havent seen any of the repro plates with raised number designations. This pic also looks odd where the vin should be.
If there is no stamped number by the apron I would be VERY suspicious of the authenticity of the bus
It may be the photo but there seems to be distortion and hammer marks on the plate. Even looks like some of the text above the number was flattened a bit on the bottom
Does the plate lay perfectly flat on the table or rock a bit? |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14216 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Shine a blacklight on it. |
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abakrs40 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2017 Posts: 11 Location: El Dorado Hills, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Here’s one from a 1963.
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Kaefer-Nostalgie Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 90
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Hello Dear Friends,
Hello, hope you are doing ok!
Could you tell me measures?
ID Plates Bus, early and late 63?
Length
With
Distance hole center to hole center.
If you can do it with a picture using a rule I ll appreciate it!
Same size as Beetle ones? I ll really appreciate your help with some examples!
Thanks,
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Douglas Denlinger Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2003 Posts: 1381 Location: Arizona's version of the east coast
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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teahead Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2019 Posts: 326 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Kaefer-Nostalgie wrote: |
Hello Dear Friends,
Hello, hope you are doing ok!
Could you tell me measures?
ID Plates Bus, early and late 63?
Length
With
Distance hole center to hole center.
If you can do it with a picture using a rule I ll appreciate it!
Same size as Beetle ones? I ll really appreciate your help with some examples!
Thanks,
Walter. |
Don't you guys already make ID plates? The only issue I can see is that you do not make them for the type2. Notice that the ones you do sell for Microbuses all say "Typ 1":
https://kaferlab.com/collections/vin-plates/produc...tion-plate
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obus Samba Member
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Vintage Pro Werks Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2016 Posts: 1 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Identification Plate in engine compartment...no VIN? |
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Hi guys,
That looks to be an original plate off a 61 or 62 bus.
In 1963/64 the Western came off the plate. Also, vw didn’t include the weights on a 63 or early 64 bus.
If, it is a true 1963 bus that is not the correct plate. But if it were maybe a transition year made in the month of August. It could be the correct one, if it wasn’t tampered with where the id number is suppose to go. Vw did some crazy things and it could of simply been left off. Also maybe your bus is a 1962, just registered with the wrong year. By the time it left Germany, got off the boat, landed in the States, and sold off it could of been 1963. The vin needs to be crossed referenced with the m-code plate to find out the birth date.
Removing an original plates embossing work requires skills and not an easy task. Just look at the id plate from the Reworked 200K MGR 23 window, you could still see the numbers.
I have blank id plates that are good for all model VW’s.
The information just needs to be embossed onto the plates for buses.
Having pre-embossed bus plates with just the model number would be very expensive to produce. As, you would need to make them for every model and every year plate.
Unless you have embossing and stamping machines. Which I have, but exact fonts don’t exit today. I common person doesn’t, as they cost thousands of dollars.
JP
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