Gas door/Filler neck area - quick question (photos included)

[markeaton]

Question... You'll notice some holes and a bit of rust on the area where the filler neck seal goes. Problem is, when i put around the actual metal filler neck to adhere to the "opening", the lack of metal and rot does not make a tight fit.

So I searched and found this item (M&T Mfg). Does this item allow me to take out and replace for a clean fit? If so, I am thinking some welding is needed.

Thank you
-Mark

[markeaton]

Or... I wonder if there is some sort of adapter that can be bolted around the "circle" to allow for a tight fit?

[Cusser]

I'd make a round repair patch out of galvanized roofing material or similar, drill 4 holes in it, and sandwich that in. 3 of the holes will hold that in place, and allow the 4 the hole to function. Maybe some Permatex Aviation on the sealing surfaces NOT RTV.
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[markeaton]

Good idea Cusser.... I got your response while I was in Home Depot and bought a piece. Good timing

[markeaton]

Cusser... if your still reading this post, another question please ...

I re-read your response. I think I might be missing something. The filler neck and assembly has no holes to be screwed into.

Is there another component that I need? I thought the seal simply slid over the end (towards me in photo) and then feeding it from the backside, into the round round to seal?

I thought the PO drilled the holes as an extra way to secure.

Thank you

[jeremy.g]

I think you're correct, Mark. Those holes aren't original.

I just bought a panel to replace the same exact rust on my '73 Super Beetle.
I can't vouch for the fit of that aftermarket panel, but I know that it is held in with (7) spot welds like this:

I haven't installed it yet, but there a few more pics on my build page.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=420

I thought about welding in a patch with a clean round hole, but it seemed easier (and cleaner) to simply replace the whole panel.

Good luck!

-Jeremy

[markeaton]

Thanks Jeremy. That is helpful.

Part of me want to replace, to be cleaner as you say, but I'd have to cut the old one and weld (which I don't do) in the new one. And the other part of me wants to do as Cusser suggested.

I'll make up my mind this weekend for sure.

[mukluk]

If welding is not an option for you, consider using a metal bonding adhesive instead.
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[markeaton]

mukluk... good idea... although I should have mentioned a friend of mine down the street does weld and has always offered help if needed. So long as I provide what he says is "normal beer"

[andk5591]

We are painting a car as we speak that we did that repair on. Yeah, drill out the spot welds and weld in the new piece. If Iwasnt fixing it right, I would have pondered fiberglassing the back side after removing the rust or something along the lines of what Cusser suggested.
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[kpf]

[markeaton]

huh...timing is everything. I did just do that KPF... and it did fit in. Better than I thought. So much so that the holes are gone and it is really snug.

I will say though, that the original neck seal has a slight groove holding it. The new one I bought does not. I might just keep the original.

[Tim Donahoe]

That neck filler seal is not a “seal”. It’s purpose is to prevent vibration and chafing. That’s why it would have been unnecessary to replace the metal with a new MTG one.

You might want to sand a little, prime and paint the area, however to prevent it fro rusting more.

Tim
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[markeaton]

Thanks Tim.... I am planning to do that. I actually had a local paint store make me both spray and a jar of exact matching paint... wasn't cheap