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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:14 pm Post subject: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Hi everyone, I want to build a big bore 40hp (late european 40hp) for endurance racing, and I would like to see your opinions about it.
My idea is:
1300 twin port cylinder heads ported and polished
Big bore kit
Lightened and balanced pistons, rods, flywheel…
4-1 header
About 9:1 cr
Doghouse oil cooler
I was thinking to put a center mount weber 36 dcnf (I want to keep the stock engine look)
What cam should you run on that engine?
The car will be as light as possible keeping all the sheet metal. _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7178 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Are you talking track race, rally or endurance street like Mille Miglia or similar? |
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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Alstrup wrote: |
Are you talking track race, rally or endurance street like Mille Miglia or similar? |
Track race. I was thinking about an engle w110 or a webcam 163 _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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PEPPE Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2003 Posts: 1068 Location: Roma Italy
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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do you have to stay 1200cc? |
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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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PEPPE wrote: |
do you have to stay 1200cc? |
Not necessarily, but I don't want to spend a lot of money building a bigger motor, I just want a quick 1400 to have fun, and sitck a bigger engine on the future. The car will be as light as possible, so with about 70hp should move quite well (I'm thinking about 600kg for the whole car) _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Does anybody know what are the cc of the chambers of the 1300dp heads?
I don't have them with me at the moment and I want to calculate the CR, deck height, etc _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7178 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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47 cc stock as I recall.
Flycut 2,5 mm is approx 37 cc with an untouched chamber.
Come to think of it, I actually have a set on the shelf from an abandonned historic race project. - 1300 bore, 36 cc chambers, cleaned up ports, competition valve and seat job, cut for dual springs. They can go for a fair price. PM me if youre interested.
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VeeDee Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2020 Posts: 212 Location: Wolfsburg, Germany
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Please don't forget the balancing of the crank, it's essential for bearing life especially with the relative weak 34/40HP-crank. They are often beyond factory limits.
And Torbens offer is more then overthinkable...
Do you know anything about the meeting at Tossa the Mar in September?
Is it canceled?
Always Aircooled
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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SERIUSLY off topic, but I would like to know about that too. |
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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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How much can I flycut the heads without having clearance issues with valves and pistons with an w110 or webcam 163?
I would look to balance the crank, it all depends on the cost of the labor, its a budget build (a bigger motor should come on the future)
On my 1.6 I have all the rotating assembly balanced and it's very smooth and fast revving
About Tossa de Mar, I have no idea if it is cancelled or not, but I can ask about it _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Hi, the Tossa de Mar show is not cancelled as of today. Of course it depends on what regulations will be in place by then regarding public gatherings, etc. so it's not possible to insure anything at the moment. In any case the organizers are trying their best to make it happen if at all possible.
stay safe guys!
Alberto, which endurance race are you planning to run? |
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Albertoprop17 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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Slow 1200 wrote: |
Alberto, which endurance race are you planning to run? |
I'm going to race first of all on budget races, 5-6h long, to see if the car performs as well as I want. If I like it, I will step up to bigger races. Also I want to do some trackdays with it _________________ '54 vintage speed beetle slow project
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Endurance racing big bore 40hp advice |
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VeeDee wrote: |
Please don't forget the balancing of the crank, it's essential for bearing life especially with the relative weak 34/40HP-crank. They are often beyond factory limits.
And Torbens offer is more then overthinkable...
Do you know anything about the meeting at Tossa the Mar in September?
Is it canceled?
Always Aircooled
VeeDee |
In case anyone was still wondering the Tossa de Mar show is officially cancelled now |
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Alstrup Samba Member
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