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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:12 pm Post subject: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Thanks to JonL (see his link below) I shopped for Oxalic Acid which I finally found at my small hardware store.
Not sure if I'll paint them later but better than what I had. A few table spoons into hot water then I poured the mix into the pool of water and let it sit. Looking forward trying out a ton of other items.
For cleanup I'll dilute with loads of water and maybe add baking soda.
Thanks to JonL, look halfway through his thread, he saved me ton's on time and energy.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
I was unable to find a kiddie pool until my neighbor was tossing one in the trash. Yes super lucky me.
Before
After 24 hrs
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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JonL Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Nice! _________________ 65 Notchback
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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That sure came out nice- but that pool's a bit too much. I wonder if my ass neighbor still has a hard shell on the spare tire of his Rav4? _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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Peter - Belgium Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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I also bought some of that powder to try on rusted parts, but it was not soo efficient it seems? maybe the rust was too hard but will try soaking it longer next time:-)
In any case it was for sure a great tip to try out! _________________ 356 Outlaw built: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=430774&highlight= |
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vwuberalles Samba Member
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Peter - Belgium, Try 48 hrs. BTW my in-laws are from Belgium, a beautiful country and awesome people, hopefully visiting next year so I can see them all again and my brother in Berlin. I love Europe
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I also bought some of that powder to try on rusted parts, but it was not soo efficient it seems? maybe the rust was too hard but will try soaking it longer next time:-)
In any case it was for sure a great tip to try out! |
Eric&Barb, I almost tried the electrolysis method until I saw JonL's method and I am sold on his technique. I will admit looking back it appears closer to 48 hrs, I have more stuff in the pool as we speak and I will continue to post them.
Again many many thanks to JonL for his brilliant method. I'm thinking of spraying all the parts with Gibbs brand lubricant as I have seen bare metal cars with it and I'm amazed. _________________ American Red Cross Safe And Well:
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Lind wrote: |
Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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… if one does not like the rusty-patina look - then congratulations, nice job - your wheel looks great…
… IF one duz like that patina-look - protect it
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2357 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Is this method any better or even as good as CLR? Am I the only one that sees rust on that wheel still? |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Yes I need to do it again.
buseric wrote: |
Is this method any better or even as good as CLR? Am I the only one that sees rust on that wheel still? |
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Lind wrote: |
Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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After, you can see the water was not deep enough but I was excited to see the original back side of the wheels really are black. I remember asking what color the inside of the wheel should be recently and saying to myself my wheels aren't black inside.
Not great but zero effort
I'll do another bath deeper for this wheel.
Towel bar before left and after right.
I have more in the bath today and I'll wait 2 days.
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Lind wrote: |
Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Try muriatic acid and your mind will be blown... _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Bulli Klinik, I have heard that muriatic acid works on metal too. I've used it on other surfaces and sold it for years in my old fashion hardware store as a teen/20something. Although you have to be much more careful with it. Have you used it on your bus?
This is a great link on a scientific method of muriatic acid.
https://sciencing.com/dissolve-steel-8081019.html
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.
As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal. _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.
Bulli Klinik wrote: |
I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.
As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal. |
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MrPolak Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Great pic MrPolak, I love the P for patina.
I haven't had as much luck with CLR perhaps I did something wrong like time or mixture or I'm just too lazy and want a chemical to do all the work. Don't you have to scrub hard with green pads with CLR of which can remove desired patina?
Linda
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.
Bulli Klinik wrote: |
I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.
As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal. |
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I use it at full strength and brush it on the surface. Keep it wet. Scrub with a wire brush if necessary. Rinse then spray on the Ospho. For surface rust, it will pretty much wipe off in minutes. Take required safety precautions.
Ospho can be sprayed and left on for preservation while working on your project, but be sure to sand it off prior to primer. It may say differently on the bottle, but I'm speaking from experience. The pre-paint procedure of using diluted Ospho on the surface for 15 minutes then rinsing is fine _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. |
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Bulli Klinik, I'll try muriatic acid straight then Ospho perhaps on this muffler which didn't clean up great although may never. I'm not sure if I'll keep it as is or paint with high heat gray. I'm sure it's not that important to paint as it will be hidden behind the bumper.
Note: On these parts I did not remove the previous bath water of oxalic acid I just added fresh, therefore I may experiment on a new batch.
Before on left after on right.
This extra wheel that came with the bus had been repainted as seen on the back image above maybe if it was OG paint it may have cleaned up better. I'll continue soaking the 4 wheels that are on my bus in the upcoming week as I rotate them with my spare it just takes time.
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.
Bulli Klinik wrote: |
I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.
As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal. |
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I use it at full strength and brush it on the surface. Keep it wet. Scrub with a wire brush if necessary. Rinse then spray on the Ospho. For surface rust, it will pretty much wipe off in minutes. Take required safety precautions.
Ospho can be sprayed and left on for preservation while working on your project, but be sure to sand it off prior to primer. It may say differently on the bottle, but I'm speaking from experience. The pre-paint procedure of using diluted Ospho on the surface for 15 minutes then rinsing is fine |
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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