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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Thanks to JonL (see his link below) I shopped for Oxalic Acid which I finally found at my small hardware store.

Not sure if I'll paint them later but better than what I had. A few table spoons into hot water then I poured the mix into the pool of water and let it sit. Looking forward trying out a ton of other items.

For cleanup I'll dilute with loads of water and maybe add baking soda.

Thanks to JonL, look halfway through his thread, he saved me ton's on time and energy.

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I was unable to find a kiddie pool until my neighbor was tossing one in the trash. Yes super lucky me.

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Nice!
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

That sure came out nice- but that pool's a bit too much. I wonder if my ass neighbor still has a hard shell on the spare tire of his Rav4?
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

I also bought some of that powder to try on rusted parts, but it was not soo efficient it seems? maybe the rust was too hard but will try soaking it longer next time:-)

In any case it was for sure a great tip to try out!
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

whoa that's awesome! Might have to try that. Nice truck too.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Might try:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rust+removal+by+electrolysis&t=canonical&ia=web
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Peter - Belgium, Try 48 hrs. BTW my in-laws are from Belgium, a beautiful country and awesome people, hopefully visiting next year so I can see them all again and my brother in Berlin. I love Europe Cool

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I also bought some of that powder to try on rusted parts, but it was not soo efficient it seems? maybe the rust was too hard but will try soaking it longer next time:-)

In any case it was for sure a great tip to try out!


Eric&Barb, I almost tried the electrolysis method until I saw JonL's method and I am sold on his technique. I will admit looking back it appears closer to 48 hrs, I have more stuff in the pool as we speak and I will continue to post them.

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rust+removal+by+electrolysis&t=canonical&ia=web


Again many many thanks to JonL for his brilliant method. I'm thinking of spraying all the parts with Gibbs brand lubricant as I have seen bare metal cars with it and I'm amazed.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

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Eric&Barb, I almost tried the electrolysis method until I saw JonL's method and I am sold on his technique. I will admit looking back it appears closer to 48 hrs, I have more stuff in the pool as we speak and I will continue to post them.



Update on parts in the JonL bath?
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

… if one does not like the rusty-patina look - then congratulations, nice job - your wheel looks great…

… IF one duz like that patina-look - protect it

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Is this method any better or even as good as CLR? Am I the only one that sees rust on that wheel still?
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Yes I need to do it again.

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Is this method any better or even as good as CLR? Am I the only one that sees rust on that wheel still?

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

After, you can see the water was not deep enough but I was excited to see the original back side of the wheels really are black. I remember asking what color the inside of the wheel should be recently and saying to myself my wheels aren't black inside.

Not great but zero effort Very Happy

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I'll do another bath deeper for this wheel.

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Towel bar before left and after right.

I have more in the bath today and I'll wait 2 days.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Try muriatic acid and your mind will be blown...
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Bulli Klinik, I have heard that muriatic acid works on metal too. I've used it on other surfaces and sold it for years in my old fashion hardware store as a teen/20something. Although you have to be much more careful with it. Have you used it on your bus?

This is a great link on a scientific method of muriatic acid.

https://sciencing.com/dissolve-steel-8081019.html

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.

As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.

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I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.

As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Great pic MrPolak, I love the P for patina.

I haven't had as much luck with CLR perhaps I did something wrong like time or mixture or I'm just too lazy and want a chemical to do all the work. Don't you have to scrub hard with green pads with CLR of which can remove desired patina?
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

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Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.

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I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.

As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal.


I use it at full strength and brush it on the surface. Keep it wet. Scrub with a wire brush if necessary. Rinse then spray on the Ospho. For surface rust, it will pretty much wipe off in minutes. Take required safety precautions.

Ospho can be sprayed and left on for preservation while working on your project, but be sure to sand it off prior to primer. It may say differently on the bottle, but I'm speaking from experience. The pre-paint procedure of using diluted Ospho on the surface for 15 minutes then rinsing is fine
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: Rust removal for the lazy. Reply with quote

Bulli Klinik, I'll try muriatic acid straight then Ospho perhaps on this muffler which didn't clean up great although may never. I'm not sure if I'll keep it as is or paint with high heat gray. I'm sure it's not that important to paint as it will be hidden behind the bumper.

Note: On these parts I did not remove the previous bath water of oxalic acid I just added fresh, therefore I may experiment on a new batch.
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This extra wheel that came with the bus had been repainted as seen on the back image above maybe if it was OG paint it may have cleaned up better. I'll continue soaking the 4 wheels that are on my bus in the upcoming week as I rotate them with my spare it just takes time.

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LAGrunthaner wrote:
Bulli Klinik, are you saying you use muriatic acid straight out of the bottle directly on rust? I have some large parts that will not fit into the pool can I brush that on full strength? If so how long would I leave it brushed on for say example a large bumper or fender. Then after the wait time I'll assume I hose it off & let dry. Once done how would I put on the Ospho (that new bottle still sits on my shelf) and does it need to be washed off or stays on till paint or spray with oil.

Bulli Klinik wrote:
I use it all the time. Surface rust comes off in moments. You can also dilute it with water and let parts soak. It will clean severe rust from pitting if you let it soak long enough.

As you said, you need to follow the precautions and be sure not to use it inside. The vapors will rust anything metal. I follow it's use with a typical ospho/phosphoric acid to preserve the metal.


I use it at full strength and brush it on the surface. Keep it wet. Scrub with a wire brush if necessary. Rinse then spray on the Ospho. For surface rust, it will pretty much wipe off in minutes. Take required safety precautions.

Ospho can be sprayed and left on for preservation while working on your project, but be sure to sand it off prior to primer. It may say differently on the bottle, but I'm speaking from experience. The pre-paint procedure of using diluted Ospho on the surface for 15 minutes then rinsing is fine

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