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wheel607
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 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| 67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
I can't find any redeeming qualities. Maybe the paint color. It's a nice color. |
It’s interesting that the winner who backed out also happened to join BAT roughly at the same time as the auction and only bid on the Ghia toward the very end. Hmmmm |
Thats BAT in a nutshell! |
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kingkarmann
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| wheel607 wrote: |
| Braukuche wrote: |
| 67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
I can't find any redeeming qualities. Maybe the paint color. It's a nice color. |
It’s interesting that the winner who backed out also happened to join BAT roughly at the same time as the auction and only bid on the Ghia toward the very end. Hmmmm |
Thats BAT in a nutshell! |
I can't argue. My spouse joined BAT near the end of the auction to buy our 67 Cabriolet.
Luckily I didnt get into a bidding war with her 
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Marcdeb
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Is Barrett-Jackson more costly for the seller? |
Yes. Seller pays a percentage I believe. On BAT it’s only $100 to list, buyer pays the fees.
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67 Florida Deluxe
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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The redeeming quality of BaT versus BJ is that people can chime in with questions. Granted, there's a LARGE peanut gallery of comments, BUT there are also pointed and important questions that the seller needs to address. It forces a degree of "candor" and transparency that you just don't get with the BJ and similar auctions with no discussions. As flawed as BaT might be, I prefer it FAR more that the BJ style auctions. Full disclosure, I bought two cars from BaT and NONE from any other auction site. Though, I must acknowledge that there are other auction sites that follow the BaT format. I just haven't bought anything from them. But BJ, Sotheby's, etc, format of auction doesn't appeal to me at all.
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| 67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
| there's a LARGE peanut gallery of comments, BUT there are also pointed and important questions that the seller needs to address. It forces a degree of "candor" and transparency that you just don't get with the BJ and similar auctions with no discussions. |
Exactly!
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Sebastian Gaeta
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Is Barrett-Jackson more costly for the seller? |
A very nice Austin Healey fell in my lap last year and while it is a near concours car I have no desire to keep it so it will be in the RM Sotheby's Arizona auction later this month. I am pretty sure the cost structure between the auction houses is the same.
For some background I certainly could have done a BaT auction but since I know nothing about these cars I would be a dud as an engaged seller and I really don't want to stay glued to the computer for a week deflecting answers about a car I know nothing about. I have a friend at RM so I decided to go that route, but man is it expensive. First you pay a $1,000 marketing fee to get started. They send out a photographer to take pictures which are much nicer images than I could ever take. The listing with full description and pictures is put into a full color catalog that gets sent to thousands and thousands of their regular clients, same with their website. Here is the actual listing:
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az22/arizona/lots/r0046-1957-austin-healey-100-6-bn4/1196273
If you look at the pictures that's me driving it and yes I am that squashed and uncomfortable, nothing like the Ghia as far as roominess.
Then it will cost me $2,500 to have Reliable carriers pick it up later this week and take it to AZ and when it sells, RM Sotheby's gets 10%.
OUCH
But this was the Easy Button personified. I didn't have to do anything but make a few calls and since the car cost me very little to begin with I am fine with whatever the outcome. it could be plus/minus thousands vs BaT but the effort on my part was virtually zero and I am looking forward to the experience of auction day. No, I won't be there in person but I will be paying attention online that day. If anyone cares I'll post the results when it happens.
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moogie32
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Oh my - that's a lovely Austin Healy, Sebastian! I am sure it will do very well!
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Sebastian Gaeta wrote: |
| Marcdeb wrote: |
Is Barrett-Jackson more costly for the seller? |
A very nice Austin Healey fell in my lap last year and while it is a near concours car I have no desire to keep it so it will be in the RM Sotheby's Arizona auction later this month. I am pretty sure the cost structure between the auction houses is the same.
For some background I certainly could have done a BaT auction but since I know nothing about these cars I would be a dud as an engaged seller and I really don't want to stay glued to the computer for a week deflecting answers about a car I know nothing about. I have a friend at RM so I decided to go that route, but man is it expensive. First you pay a $1,000 marketing fee to get started. They send out a photographer to take pictures which are much nicer images than I could ever take. The listing with full description and pictures is put into a full color catalog that gets sent to thousands and thousands of their regular clients, same with their website. Here is the actual listing:
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az22/arizona/lots/r0046-1957-austin-healey-100-6-bn4/1196273
If you look at the pictures that's me driving it and yes I am that squashed and uncomfortable, nothing like the Ghia as far as roominess.
Then it will cost me $2,500 to have Reliable carriers pick it up later this week and take it to AZ and when it sells, RM Sotheby's gets 10%.
OUCH
But this was the Easy Button personified. I didn't have to do anything but make a few calls and since the car cost me very little to begin with I am fine with whatever the outcome. it could be plus/minus thousands vs BaT but the effort on my part was virtually zero and I am looking forward to the experience of auction day. No, I won't be there in person but I will be paying attention online that day. If anyone cares I'll post the results when it happens. |
What a gorgeous Healy!
I understand your decision, especially if you don't feel familiar enough with it to adequately represent it.
There are a couple of BAT sellers who appear to broker exceptional autos. One that comes to mind is username 911r.
I wonder how much they charge for their services?
Good luck with the auction! 
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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1966 Karmann Ghia Coupe
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-volkswagen-karmann-ghia-5-2/
$16,700 Sold
Seems someone thought it was worth $450 more than the last time.
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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The best comment on that auction by far was by BAT user BigDaddyEureka just before the auction closed. Probably no one paid attention to it because it wasn't in English. Go back and look at it. If you don't know what "Es ist ein Hundehaufen" means, use google translate 
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
The best comment on that auction by far was by BAT user BigDaddyEureka just before the auction closed. Probably no one paid attention to it because it wasn't in English. Go back and look at it. If you don't know what "Es ist ein Hundehaufen" means, use google translate |
“it’s a pile of dogs”
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Marcdeb
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
The best comment on that auction by far was by BAT user BigDaddyEureka just before the auction closed. Probably no one paid attention to it because it wasn't in English. Go back and look at it. If you don't know what "Es ist ein Hundehaufen" means, use google translate |
“it’s a pile of dogs” |
More like “it’s a pile of dog shit.”
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John Moxon
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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You see this is the difference between a Ghia Forum and a social media Ghia Group.
On any Ghia social media group a picture of that car would have 250 likes. |
I think that's because social media, and facebook especially, is the cesspool of collective human consciousness; where lies are truth, misinformation is reality, and actual knowledge is attacked in favor of uninformed opinions. It's best to just stay away from it.
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99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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John Moxon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:18 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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You see this is the difference between a Ghia Forum and a social media Ghia Group.
On any Ghia social media group a picture of that car would have 250 likes. |
I think that's because social media, and facebook especially, is the cesspool of collective human consciousness; where lies are truth, misinformation is reality, and actual knowledge is attacked in favor of uninformed opinions. It's best to just stay away from it. |
Ah, yes you have to keep it light, choose your friends carefully and eradicate any who exhibit the tell-tale signs. I've seen all the failings of course but don't get involved. For me Facebook is a haven of delight.
BTW Just sent you a friends request.
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
| John Moxon wrote: |
You see this is the difference between a Ghia Forum and a social media Ghia Group.
On any Ghia social media group a picture of that car would have 250 likes. |
I think that's because social media, and facebook especially, is the cesspool of collective human consciousness; where lies are truth, misinformation is reality, and actual knowledge is attacked in favor of uninformed opinions. It's best to just stay away from it. |
Ah, yes you have to keep it light, choose your friends carefully and eradicate any who exhibit the tell-tale signs. I've seen all the failings of course but don't get involved. For me Facebook is a haven of delight.
BTW Just sent you a friends request. |
My FB feed is tailored to receive mostly rainbows and unicorn farts 
Yes, FB includes plenty of vile inhumanity.
But FB has let me discover the adventures of a boy and his dog exploring the beautiful Baddesley Common. Breathtaking photography.
Without it I would have never likely never had known about this corner of the world
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