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charleslabri Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2019 Posts: 615 Location: Nashville/Yosemite
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Doing air to water, thought....
why not mount smaller motorcycle rads into the rear air intakes and not have to run the WHOLE system up front.
Thoughts? |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16474 Location: Brookeville, MD
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Not with smaller radiators, but with full size rads, yes.
The vanagon radiator is huge, way oversized, but it's in the front for good reason, to get full-on air blasting it.
If you were to put it in the back you'd want to take that into consideration.
Local samba innovator/genius Andrew Flint set up a bay window bus with a 1.8t and the rad towards the back/underneath I think.
You can see it under his bus on page 8 of the following thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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charleslabri Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2019 Posts: 615 Location: Nashville/Yosemite
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Yeah, the bay window has that larger engine box back there. I know a guy who mounted two Honda rads on his bay window suby conv |
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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I believe that the volume of direct cooling air of the forward-mounted stock Vanagon radiator arrangement could not be matched by smaller radiators tucked out of the direct air stream in the rear vents.
Especially considering that there has been much debate, and no small amount of lively discussion here, as to whether the Vanagon D pillars serve to EXPEL hot engine-compartment air upward, or to DRAW IN cool exterior air downward.
The subject remains as contentious as the transubstantiation of bread and wine ... _________________ Camp Westfalia
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50257
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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If it ain't broke don't fix it. |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6798 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Do the simple math. Measure the length and width of the Vanagon radiator.
Are you going to be able to have the same square inches from motorcycle radiators the fit into the rear air intakes?
As for putting a radiator underneath is it going to be laying flat where a rock or stick can put a hole in it?
Is the purpose of doing this to eliminate the long hose runs or do you have something you want to use the space where the radiator fits.
The original location works. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1826 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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If you have a tintop, buy a Westy roof. Just lay it on top of your tintop. Modify it so it becomes an air tunnel with the radiator at the back, on the roof above the engine.
_________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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wesitarz Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2012 Posts: 1477 Location: Victoria,B.C.Canada
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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charleslabri wrote: |
Yeah, the bay window has that larger engine box back there. I know a guy who mounted two Honda rads on his bay window suby conv |
Busaru.com did it in one of his YouTube videos if I recall correctly. Two Honda rads rings a bell. |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7402 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Well, that was a fascinating distraction. What a great build. Other than Vanagons and classifieds I don't visit much else at the samba so threads like that help me get out of my shell. Neato. _________________ - Jim
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vanagonjr Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3425 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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The very first Vanagon engine conversion I ever heard of was in Australia and it used 2 radiators in the rear pillars.
I’d probably just go with the front because with all factory parts, it would be easier for me with my (lack of) skill set. 😄 _________________ John - 86 Wolfsburg Westfalia "Weekender"
Flint reversed 1.8T W/Passat 5-Speed
LiMBO (late model bus club) www.limbobus.org
LiMBO is on Facebook too! https://www.facebook.com/groups/
FAQ thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=525798 |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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I remember seeing a Vanagon in Port Townsend a long time ago with a radiator attached to the left rear of the driver's side!! Pretty sure it was one of Scott's early Subaru swaps.
I wouldn't be comfortable having my radiator in such a vulnerable position. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
@jakedevilliersmusic1
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www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3528 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Samba member furrylittleotter did it with his Subaru swap.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=558965
I just read thru it again. He got a lot of flak for really no reason. Probably why you don't see some of the true innovators stick around too long.
Too much of this...
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7402 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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I said it in 2017 and I'll say it again, the first post in this thread is easily one of the most interesting posts on the samba I've ever seen...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=676164&highlight=
I also really liked his Vanagon proboscus... https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
As I understand it, furrylittleotter sold his super-modded Vanagon a few years ago.
He did have a "straightforward" way of interacting on this site which led to interesting exchanges around his unusual ideas as well as mods he didn't like (he had a spirited distaste for everything bostig ). _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro).
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17009 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Hell of a rear heater core. _________________ ☮️ |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Neil was VERY abrasive - so much so that even those of us who were open-minded and interested in his ideas found him hard to take. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
@jakedevilliersmusic1
http://sites.google.com/site/subyjake/mydixiedarlin%27
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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As an abrasive sort myself, I can tell you what he lacked in humor, he made up in out of the box thinking. Humor is the key to bludgeoning folks with your aggressive opinions. Someday I'll develop a sense of humor, and I'll rule the world. Until then, I'm stuck here with you idiots. FML _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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charleslabri wrote: |
Doing air to water, thought....
why not mount smaller motorcycle rads into the rear air intakes and not have to run the WHOLE system up front.
Thoughts? |
I guess the main reason not to engineer a new system (when the stock parts are readily available) is that it might not work well. You will also very likely have more time and possibly more expense into getting it to work well. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22568 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone ever moved the radiator from the front to the air intakes |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
As an abrasive sort myself, I can tell you what he lacked in humor, he made up in out of the box thinking. Humor is the key to bludgeoning folks with your aggressive opinions. Someday I'll develop a sense of humor, and I'll rule the world. Until then, I'm stuck here with you idiots. FML |
Ok, let’s all settle down.....
Hey Zeitgeist.....go get your Subaru Shine Box... _________________ .ssS! |
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wesitarz Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2012 Posts: 1477 Location: Victoria,B.C.Canada
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