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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:28 am Post subject: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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My original rear speakers are not like the ones in my 82. These are Blaupunkt speakers that are retained through the grill with 4 screws from the outside of the cabinet. OE part number still on the speaker. 251035411C
Speaker must be removable from outside the cabinet. You need the access to connect and disconnect the AC drain tubes. I searched and lots of threads about putting in bigger speakers. Thats not what I intend to do.
Speaker cutout is just over 3 1/2 inches. Most aftermarket 4 inch speakers are too large for that cutout.
Here is my question. Has anyone found a drop in speaker that fits the stock mounting holes and the cutout? Ideally it would include a grill. The non grill speakers are not my taste. Thank you. _________________ ☮️ |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:37 am Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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MarkWard wrote: |
Here is my question. Has anyone found a drop in speaker that fits the stock mounting holes and the cutout? Ideally it would include a grill. The non grill speakers are not my taste. Thank you. |
the problem is needing to find someone with currently available speakers. that market changes designs every year.
i have a pair of kenwood 4" speakers from about 8 years ago that fit, but... a newer model may not. a spacer might be the best option for you to bring the speaker housing proud of the opening to gain frame clearance. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic
"burnin oil and cookin coils" -- Destructo
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4333 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:40 am Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Mark,
Sorry, I have standard speakers, not the high end ones you are talking about. However, you are mentioning needing to remove speakers to deal with the drains. Is this also a question? I got sick of that problem, and cut slots in the cabinet sides so as to hook up the drains prior to cabinet install.
Also, I am seeking different speakers, here is why. Not real sure about how to deal with this new cover:
_________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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The 90 camper has the AC blowers mounted against the cabinet face. The only access is through the speakers even to access the speak wiring. I'm considering notching for the AC drain hoses, but don't want to give up the speaker access.
These old speakers don't appear to be fancy. I listen to NPR mostly. So don't need anything fancy. I noticed some Pioneer 4 inch on Amazon that fit a 3.5" cutout. No grills. I may get them and see if I can make them work with the old grills. Thank you. _________________ ☮️ |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Pioneer 4" speakers fit just fine. Don't know if they're still available.
_________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
Pioneer 4" speakers fit just fine. Don't know if they're still available.
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Kam, I don't suppose you have a part number? Anyhow, I can see the recess for the original duct work in the cabinet face. Did you toss the duct work and come up with a something more basic? Looks like I can see plastic caps where the original center vent support attached to the ceiling. Also, did you add 2 support brackets? I see 4 bolts on the face. Interesting mod. I'm assuming it cools better? Or was yours falling apart? Thanks. Mark _________________ ☮️ |
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termuehlen Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 986 Location: Redwood City
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Mark:
Those are the speakers GoWesty used to sell. The part number is here:
https://www.gowesty.com/quickview.php?v=&id=23319
You can reuse your speaker grills over them or use the Pioneer grills provided. _________________ 1988 Westfalia automatic Subaru OBD1
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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That answers the question. What's weird is I looked at GW's website and searched Speaker and nothing came up yesterday. Thank you. _________________ ☮️ |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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MarkWard wrote: |
kamzcab86 wrote: |
Pioneer 4" speakers fit just fine. Don't know if they're still available. |
Kam, I don't suppose you have a part number? Anyhow, I can see the recess for the original duct work in the cabinet face. Did you toss the duct work and come up with a something more basic? Looks like I can see plastic caps where the original center vent support attached to the ceiling. Also, did you add 2 support brackets? I see 4 bolts on the face. Interesting mod. I'm assuming it cools better? Or was yours falling apart? Thanks. Mark |
Yeah, GW sold/sells those speakers, but I bought 'em elsewhere. Put Rockford-Fosgate 4"ers up front in the doors due to dash clearance.
That photo is one I just took and is as the van currently sits. I performed the popular "plenumectomy": https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=424773 . Short version: http://oldbluesblog.com/files/RemovingthePlenum.pdf .
Did nothing but add two dummy bolts into the cabinet face for aesthetics, rerouted the speaker wires, made a grille for the fan opening, and put the rubber plenum trim back in the groove. Instead of looking at ceiling holes, I put the plenum screws and caps back in place. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Kam, what are your initial impressions? Do they align with the linked thread? My plastic center supports need to be reinforced. They were all broken where the screws attached.
It looks a little unfinished as did the early ones, but if it blows the AC forward better, seems like a no brainer. Thank you. _________________ ☮️ |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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MarkWard wrote: |
Kam, what are your initial impressions? Do they align with the linked thread? My plastic center supports need to be reinforced. They were all broken where the screws attached.
It looks a little unfinished as did the early ones, but if it blows the AC forward better, seems like a no brainer. Thank you. |
The PDF I made/linked pretty much says it all.
Airflow nearly doubles with the plenum/duct removed. I haven't used fan speed 4 since removing it.
Rhino Designs sells a custom grille you can install so that you're not looking at an ugly gaping hole. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Just reading the other thread now. My brain hurts. I understand both sides of the argument. Would certainly save some time. This project has already morphed into way more time than I planned. Thanks. _________________ ☮️ |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4333 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
Rhino Designs sells a custom grille you can install so that you're not looking at an ugly gaping hole. |
That is the one I show sitting on the chair. From discussion with Jimf909, they apparently wouldn't sell him just the plastic part. I didn't ask, I just liked it, and bought it. I am pondering taking the cabinet back apart, and attaching the new face in its place. But, as is, it is intended to just be a cover. Not sure how to get it flush, as the carrier bolts stick slightly out. Plus the need to cut holes for whatever speakers I decide on. Yet another decision I am putting off until I get furloughed.. ugh. _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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cmayna Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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Looks like I have the same Pioneer 4" speakers in back as what kamz has. I believe they are Pioneer 2 way, # TS-D1002R D series. _________________ '90 Westy / automatic.
If I'm not working on the camper or my '50 Chebbie truck, I'm either fishing with the wife or smoking Salmon.
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: 90 Camper with AC rear speaker question |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
kamzcab86 wrote: |
Rhino Designs sells a custom grille you can install so that you're not looking at an ugly gaping hole. |
That is the one I show sitting on the chair. From discussion with Jimf909, they apparently wouldn't sell him just the plastic part. |
Really? They used to sell just the grille. That's odd...
https://uniwerksdesign.com could whip one up though. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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