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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

You have a 30 PICT 2 Carburetor and a DVDA distributor which will not play well together. Better to use the non vacuum distributor off of the 1200 except that it is a cheap knock off clone 009. Id run either a 113 M or T with the 30 PICT which is a factory matched pairing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

So just getting back to this, looks like I have some work to do in relation to swapping over some parts from the 40 to the 1600 (Which is a 1500 with 1600 pistons as noted earlier).

Here's my shopping/work list (and again thanks for everyone's input, and if you see anything that doesn't add up, or have a better suggestion let me know!)


Went ahead and took a few pictures of my starter situation. I should have noted at the beginning of this thread that I bought this car as it's pictured (well, of course, it ran with the 40 before it decided to die), I never did any of these modifications hence why with this swap I'm trying to make everything somewhat properly done.


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Clearly some evidence of metal shavings in the above housing. I'm thinking this isn't the proper starter for this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

Your last 2 bullet items are not essential. The fuel pump you now have on the 1200 obviously fits despite the wide alternator body. Just transfer that pump to the 1500. Same logic for the distributor. The one on your 40 hp is a centrifugal-only advance. It will work decently on the 1500 as long as you plug the vacuum port on the carb.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

starboy wrote:
Purchase/Source different distributor. (Or should I just swap the one from the 40?) As noted this 1600 has a 30 PICT 2, can I use something like...welcome to other suggestions

Those jbugs links won't work for me, but don't waste your money on cheap aftermarket distributors. Contact Glenn Ring https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=633, Heimlish https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=424038 or Tasb https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3066 and tell them what you have. They'll recommend the right distributor for your application and can supply you with a restored German Bosch unit that'll be far superior to most current offerings.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

Loosen up the axle boot inner/outer clamps and rotate the boot seams to 3 or 9 O'clock positions. Having the stiff seams at 12 O'clock will tear up the boots sooner than later.

When you tighten the clamps back down, do the inner one first. Then push the outer end of the boots in toward the transaxle about 3/16" and then tighten the outer clamps. This makes it so the boots do not stretch too much when you jack the rear end wheels off the ground.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

Also get the thermostatic flaps installed now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

The uh oh 9 distributor and the 30 PICT 2 carburetor will work ok. The better or best choice if you stay with that carburetor is a 113 905 205 M distributor which is the factory matched pairing.

Do a classifieds search using "1968 distributor" and you will find a selection from various sellers of used cores an restored examples.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

I'd run a 113905205T SVA distributor in your single port engine application with the 30-2 carb. That combo was used on 1968 and 1969 engines.

I run both on my restored 1969 bug engine. It's a great combo and much better than an 009. The 009 responds only to RPM's where the 205T responds to engine load.

Here's the 205T and 30-2 carb on my engine.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

Factually the only difference between the 113 M and 113 T is that the 113 T uses the taller cap and rotor. The 113 T distributor was factory matched to the 30 PICT 3 in 1969 and 1970.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

tasb wrote:
Factually the only difference between the 113 M and 113 T is that the 113 T uses the taller cap and rotor. The 113 T distributor was factory matched to the 30 PICT 3 in 1969 and 1970.


The 30-3 carbs were not installed on VW's until August of 1969 for the 1970 model year, thus they used the 30-2 carb in 1969 matched to the 205T distributor.

VW 126-3 30PICT-2 113905205T BUG 1500 2/69 x116 125z 0.60 w/o ball USA Manual

This is from the Solex carb base flange number guide.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

wcfvw69- gawsh your engine looks excellent! A treat to see an engine so close to correctness.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1200 to 1600 SP (Am I doing this right?) Reply with quote

Rome wrote:
wcfvw69- gawsh your engine looks excellent! A treat to see an engine so close to correctness.


Thanks!
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