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jkaput Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2020 Posts: 112 Location: Northampton, MA
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:49 pm Post subject: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Hey all,
Quick question
As i'm going through stuff to do on my 85 weekender, one of the things I keep wondering about is fuel lines. Tons of stuff has been redone by the PO, and I have records going back to 2001. But nothing on fuel lines or gas tank stuff.
Is there a way I can test the lines, or indicators that they are shot? Same for tank stuff? What should I be looking for?
Alright, thats it. Stay safe everybody out there!! |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7756 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Great question...
Quick answer: if you don't know if/when they've been done, DO THEM.
Better safe than not safe...
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Replace them all! _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50348
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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You want to use fuel hose with an SAE 30r9 rating and use FI style clamps. There is a high pressure Gates Barricade hose with both a 30r14 and 30r9 rating that is good to uses and is fairly available. Do not use the low pressure Barricade variant, which carries only the 30r14 rating but not the 30r9 rating. 5/16" hose is fine.
Figure on change the hoses every ten years or so during your ownership. |
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SCM Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3118 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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dhaavers wrote: |
Great question...
Quick answer: if you don't know if/when they've been done, DO THEM.
Better safe than not safe...
- Dave |
I agree with this for gas lines. As for the tank, if it’s not leaking and you have no running issues, I would leave it alone. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6832 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Change them. This is why.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=722193
get a complete kit either at Van Cafe, GoWesty or Bus Depot. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
There are seven days in a week. Someday is not one of them. |
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hartung105 Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2020 Posts: 14 Location: Webster, New York
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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When I first bought my van I drove it home about 30 miles. My girlfriend followed me and when we got home she said "wow that really smells like gas."
I took a look in the engine bay and didn't find any leaks. When I started the engine and looked underneath there was gas squirting out of the return line. Feels like a pit in my stomach every time I think about how lucky I was to not have a fire.
Anyway, don't forget to check the hose the connects to the fuel return valve behind the engine tin. |
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natejohn Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2020 Posts: 57 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Like everyone else is saying, yes, absolutely do them! Peace of mind is a wonderful thing. I bought the fuel line kit for my '90 a week before I even took ownership of it, and it's the first thing I did.
Buy a good set of ear clamp pliers (Knipex or the like) for the ear clamps included in the kits and you'll be golden. _________________ 1990 Vanagon Westfalia |
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Vantropy Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 78 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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You can do a pressure test on the fuel system, but in your case, you really want to know how old they are. If you don’t have a record, you need to start one.
Fuel lines should be regularly inspected, visually for small cracks (especially around clamps, etc.) and physically (squeeze them, feel for abrasions, cracks, soft spots, anything out of the ordinary). Speaking of which, what kind of clamps are on there? Worm drive hose clamps? Get rid of them! All the cool kids use ear clamps now. Much better, though you’ll want a special pair of pliers.
Also: do you have the plastic valve in the firewall? You’ve got to get rid of that thing.
There is no hard and fast rule on replacement schedule, but most people around here seem to side with the 5-year replacement. 10 years is probably fine, but it’s not a ton of money or time to just have some peace of mind.
Tank sealing problems usually indicate by smelling gas, especially after filling up. _________________ 1989 2.1L Vanagon Westy, Automatic, Titian Red |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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fuel hoses as per above and get the right clamps - NOT hose clamps form the hdware store
metal & plastic fuel lines are likely fine - inspect them
also repl. the brake hoses with new rubber ones
see my sig. _________________ .... |
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Mark Lewalski Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2010 Posts: 406 Location: Safety Harbor, FL (Tampa Bay)
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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I'm just starting a fuel tank replacement today on my 89 and although I had previously bought and installed a fuel line replacement kit from a Vanagon vendor, it did not include the return line - only the pressurized lines.
So clamping off the non pressurized rubber return line near the gas tank snapped the hard plastic line that was attached to it. I found the plastic line is so brittle that I can squeeze it with my fingers and it cracks and breaks apart. Sent my son and his friend to the local FLAPS to get rubber line to completely replace the hard plastic line. Getting additional hose to replace the hard lines from the expansion tanks too.
A few years back, I bought a fuel line replacement kit for my 87 from GoWesty that included enough hose to replace ALL the old lines - hard and soft.
Just saying... the non-pressurized lines need to be replaced too. Might as well get those hard plastic lines out of there since they are at best close to 30 years old.
Mark _________________ '89 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg "Bluestar" (given to and owned by my son now)
'87 Vanagon Weekender
'74 Thing |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50348
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Newbie and fuel lines |
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Mark Lewalski wrote: |
I'm just starting a fuel tank replacement today on my 89 and although I had previously bought and installed a fuel line replacement kit from a Vanagon vendor, it did not include the return line - only the pressurized lines.
So clamping off the non pressurized rubber return line near the gas tank snapped the hard plastic line that was attached to it. I found the plastic line is so brittle that I can squeeze it with my fingers and it cracks and breaks apart. Sent my son and his friend to the local FLAPS to get rubber line to completely replace the hard plastic line. Getting additional hose to replace the hard lines from the expansion tanks too.
A few years back, I bought a fuel line replacement kit for my 87 from GoWesty that included enough hose to replace ALL the old lines - hard and soft.
Just saying... the non-pressurized lines need to be replaced too. Might as well get those hard plastic lines out of there since they are at best close to 30 years old.
Mark |
Hope they bought Gate Barricade Hose so it will withstand ethanol laced fuel, the low pressure variant of the GB hose will work for the return hose. I would not use SAE 30r6 or 30r7 hose, though some people do.
Haven't heard much about the hard tubing failing, I wonder if it was the original nylon or had been replaced with the wrong kind of plastic at some point? |
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