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docrav46
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Please help me identify the cooling tins I miss according to the chart.. (there seems to be a lot that's missing 😬)
Hereby uploading few pics of my 1969 German 1600DP beetle
Bugs runs fine when jus started out of driveway but performance drops after a while
. Have ordered the engine seals (2) already
Thanks in advance
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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Just for starters - Don't drive unless the two #5 pieces are in place in-between the cylinders. Plug the round heater hose holes in the fan shroud with freeze plugs or something. Get the cylinder head tins in and get the sleds in the bottom - #'s 6, 9, & 10.
Awsome Powdercoat has a series of videos on youtube that shows all the tin being installed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4z0cP7-oVM&list=PL5F64A01FA2D7E128
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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#'s 17 & 20
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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I would NOT run that engine until I did a lot to it. Pushrod tubes are bent, likely from absence of "sleds". Fuel line looks like "typical" wrong type of rubber hose. Tins. Seals. Etc.
So a lot to do there.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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#11 (left) and the one for the right side
#6
#10
#9
#20
#17
#23
#5 both side missing <---<< critical
Also the flaps for the fan shroud, it's linkage and thermostat
The skin for both heater boxes are missing
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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Even the heater boxes are missing the tins...
Basically look at that chart. You're missing just about everything. The tins are important to move air around the engine so it can cool properly. Without them the engine will start to overheat pretty quickly. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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Your best choice would be to pull the engine and strip it down to the long block and fix everything.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Your best choice would be to pull the engine and strip it down to the long block and fix everything. |
Truth.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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Your spark plug leads are also missing their air seals, not to mention the missing front and rear engine compartment seals.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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The heater boxes on your engine now have had the sheetmetal outer "socks" removed. The aluminum fins you see on them are the heat sinks that are attached to the exhaust pipe. Those exposed fins transfer engine combustion heat to ambient air.
Complete heater boxes look like this pair. If you would peel away the grey outer skin, you'd see what you have now. The outer skin contains the heat coming off the fins. Your fan shroud's 2 large outlets coming out the rear face normally have hoses that lead to the complete heater boxes' upward-angled inlet holes. The forced air from the engine fan always blows air into the heater box. If you turn the heat lever on in your Beetle (one of the 2 levers which would be at the rear end of the emergency brake), the lever activates an internal flap at the front of the heater box and allows that fan air to blow the heat into the inside of the Beetle.
If you do not plan on needing interior heat, you can remove the heater boxes and replace them with some simple bent metal pipes called "J-pipes" or "J-tubes". If you use the J-pipes or do nothing with your current heater "boxes", definitely plug those 2 outlet holes in the fan shroud so that you don't lose so much cooling air. It's like keeping 2 large windows open in your house in the winter when you have the heat turned on- there's a lot of air loss.
What is that black box to the right of your engine, seen at bottom of this shot?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| yikes!!!! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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Ravi,
Print out the diagram on top and give me a call. I think we've posted the missing part numbers on our VW Folks India Whatsapp group. But, if you still have questions, let's chat.
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| Rome wrote: |
The heater boxes on your engine now have had the sheetmetal outer "socks" removed. The aluminum fins you see on them are the heat sinks that are attached to the exhaust pipe. Those exposed fins transfer engine combustion heat to ambient air.
Complete heater boxes look like this pair. If you would peel away the grey outer skin, you'd see what you have now. The outer skin contains the heat coming off the fins. Your fan shroud's 2 large outlets coming out the rear face normally have hoses that lead to the complete heater boxes' upward-angled inlet holes. The forced air from the engine fan always blows air into the heater box. If you turn the heat lever on in your Beetle (one of the 2 levers which would be at the rear end of the emergency brake), the lever activates an internal flap at the front of the heater box and allows that fan air to blow the heat into the inside of the Beetle.
If you do not plan on needing interior heat, you can remove the heater boxes and replace them with some simple bent metal pipes called "J-pipes" or "J-tubes". If you use the J-pipes or do nothing with your current heater "boxes", definitely plug those 2 outlet holes in the fan shroud so that you don't lose so much cooling air. It's like keeping 2 large windows open in your house in the winter when you have the heat turned on- there's a lot of air loss.
What is that black box to the right of your engine, seen at bottom of this shot?
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Thank you so much for your response!
those holes from the outlet of fan shrowd are already plugged.. will post pics
that black box is an electric fan i had added jus in case i drive around in a taffic congested area,,
will certainly get those tins.. cud they be added with the engine still on ? |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| bnam wrote: |
Ravi,
Print out the diagram on top and give me a call. I think we've posted the missing part numbers on our VW Folks India Whatsapp group. But, if you still have questions, let's chat. |
yes will do ! thanks |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| mukluk wrote: |
| Your spark plug leads are also missing their air seals, not to mention the missing front and rear engine compartment seals. |
will get them!.. those u shaped rubber seals i have already ordered them .. thank you for your response! |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Your best choice would be to pull the engine and strip it down to the long block and fix everything. |
hehe yes makes sense.. but is it possible without takin it out though ? |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| Pruneman99 wrote: |
Even the heater boxes are missing the tins...
Basically look at that chart. You're missing just about everything. The tins are important to move air around the engine so it can cool properly. Without them the engine will start to overheat pretty quickly. |
shall i remove those heater boxes replace them with a normal j tube ? would i still need the tins ?? |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| Glenn wrote: |
#11 (left) and the one for the right side
#6
#10
#9
#20
#17
#23
#5 both side missing <---<< critical
Also the flaps for the fan shroud, it's linkage and thermostat
The skin for both heater boxes are missing |
thank you for the response !.
thats a lot of missing tins.. cud u identify the names for me pls as i would like to order them .. |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| Cusser wrote: |
I would NOT run that engine until I did a lot to it. Pushrod tubes are bent, likely from absence of "sleds". Fuel line looks like "typical" wrong type of rubber hose. Tins. Seals. Etc.
So a lot to do there. |
pushrod tubes got damaged from taking the engine out without a jack stand big mistake my mech did ..
could u explain the wrong type fuel line part pls ! |
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docrav46
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Cooling tins missing |
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| Jimbug57 wrote: |
Just for starters - Don't drive unless the two #5 pieces are in place in-between the cylinders. Plug the round heater hose holes in the fan shroud with freeze plugs or something. Get the cylinder head tins in and get the sleds in the bottom - #'s 6, 9, & 10.
Awsome Powdercoat has a series of videos on youtube that shows all the tin being installed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4z0cP7-oVM&list=PL5F64A01FA2D7E128 |
thank you!
will do can u install them while the engine is still installed ?
those holes are plugged ! |
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