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CleanThatPoolTile Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:52 pm Post subject: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion ... 'Lucky Lime' ... Dunn Right Inc. ... Cleaning Pool Tile, in Tucson, Arizona.
Link to video
https://youtu.be/ytiAQqEzgCQ
Cleaning pool tile, in Tucson, Arizona, since 2014. Compressor makes 56 cfm @ 100 psi. 'Volks-Aire' conversion kit from Dunn-Right Inc. The magic is in the cam shaft: 4 cycle, in the front, two cycle, in the back.
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:17 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Interesting conversion, but I question the output. |
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CleanThatPoolTile Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:15 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Regarding the question of volume. You are right. The volume should be listed at 58 cfm, not 56 cfm.. Visit Dunn Right for further information.
http://www.dunnrightinc.com |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13280 Location: Tejas!
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Letterman7 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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I don't believe any manufacturer's ratings, especially one that is converting a 4 cycle engine. There's no way that it's putting out a constant 58cfm at 100psi. The cylinders simply don't have the volume or stroke to do it. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:13 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Try as you may, you just can’t get away....
From mathemaaaaaatics.
-Tom Lehrer _________________ .ssS! |
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:17 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Abscate wrote: |
Try as you may, you just can’t get away....
From mathemaaaaaatics.
-Tom Lehrer |
If I'm wrong (and I may very well be) I'd love to see the math behind those numbers.. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:26 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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I’m wrong, I dropped a factor of ten in my swag. Looks doable
It looks like the engine uses the two front cylinders as the air source
I’ll assume it’s a 1600cc or 106 cubic inch engine, so 80 cubic inches of air per revolution
A cubic foot is 12x12x12 = 1800 cubic inches
Cylinder pressure of a Vw engine is about 100 psi so I’ll pretend that’s 90 psi
With two cylinders pushing 80 cubic inches air per revolution , you need to spin it at
90 scf * 1800/ 80 CI/ rev = a mere 2000 rpm without losses
So i think 3000 rpm would meet spec
I am humbled _________________ .ssS! |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:26 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Blech
Bad math
50 cubic inches for two cylinders so 5000 rpm needed _________________ .ssS! |
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Letterman7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Even at speed, a cylinder doesn't create full pressure until it's at TDC capped with a spark plug. The amount of air drawn in on each stroke isn't enough to create that much constant PSI as rated. |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Letterman7 wrote: |
Even at speed, a cylinder doesn't create full pressure until it's at TDC capped with a spark plug. The amount of air drawn in on each stroke isn't enough to create that much constant PSI as rated. |
The exact divisor is the compression ratio of course, so this will be another factor of 8 short, thanks
The SCFM at 90 psi rating is “optimistic” _________________ .ssS! |
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Danny604 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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This might be a dumb question. But would it be possible to take a complete engine. replace the generator/alternator with a motor, connecting it to the crank pulley via belt or chain. remove the carb. connect the exhaust to an air tank. And control the motor off a pressure switch. |
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typ914 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Figures never lie but somtimes liers figure. |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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Danny604 wrote: |
This might be a dumb question. But would it be possible to take a complete engine. replace the generator/alternator with a motor, connecting it to the crank pulley via belt or chain. remove the carb. connect the exhaust to an air tank. And control the motor off a pressure switch. |
Horribly inefficient. A four stroke only pushes out one out of four strokes. That’s why Dunn uses a two cycle cam in the back half.
An AC compressor compressing air in each action is much better. _________________ .ssS! |
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:59 am Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right |
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The whole valve train could be eliminated and pumping efficiency increased dramatically with a re-designed head using very light springs on the intake and poppet type valves on the exhaust. |
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