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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:52 pm    Post subject: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion ... 'Lucky Lime' ... Dunn Right Inc. ... Cleaning Pool Tile, in Tucson, Arizona.

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Cleaning pool tile, in Tucson, Arizona, since 2014. Compressor makes 56 cfm @ 100 psi. 'Volks-Aire' conversion kit from Dunn-Right Inc. The magic is in the cam shaft: 4 cycle, in the front, two cycle, in the back.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Interesting conversion, but I question the output.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Regarding the question of volume. You are right. The volume should be listed at 58 cfm, not 56 cfm.. Visit Dunn Right for further information.

http://www.dunnrightinc.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

that's cool. how do you use it to clean pool tile?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Very Happy I don't believe any manufacturer's ratings, especially one that is converting a 4 cycle engine. There's no way that it's putting out a constant 58cfm at 100psi. The cylinders simply don't have the volume or stroke to do it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
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Laughing If I'm wrong (and I may very well be) I'd love to see the math behind those numbers..
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

I’m wrong, I dropped a factor of ten in my swag. Looks doable

It looks like the engine uses the two front cylinders as the air source

I’ll assume it’s a 1600cc or 106 cubic inch engine, so 80 cubic inches of air per revolution

A cubic foot is 12x12x12 = 1800 cubic inches

Cylinder pressure of a Vw engine is about 100 psi so I’ll pretend that’s 90 psi

With two cylinders pushing 80 cubic inches air per revolution , you need to spin it at

90 scf * 1800/ 80 CI/ rev = a mere 2000 rpm without losses

So i think 3000 rpm would meet spec

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

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Bad math

50 cubic inches for two cylinders so 5000 rpm needed
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Very Happy Even at speed, a cylinder doesn't create full pressure until it's at TDC capped with a spark plug. The amount of air drawn in on each stroke isn't enough to create that much constant PSI as rated.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Letterman7 wrote:
Very Happy Even at speed, a cylinder doesn't create full pressure until it's at TDC capped with a spark plug. The amount of air drawn in on each stroke isn't enough to create that much constant PSI as rated.


The exact divisor is the compression ratio of course, so this will be another factor of 8 short, thanks

The SCFM at 90 psi rating is “optimistic”
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

This might be a dumb question. But would it be possible to take a complete engine. replace the generator/alternator with a motor, connecting it to the crank pulley via belt or chain. remove the carb. connect the exhaust to an air tank. And control the motor off a pressure switch.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Figures never lie but somtimes liers figure.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

Danny604 wrote:
This might be a dumb question. But would it be possible to take a complete engine. replace the generator/alternator with a motor, connecting it to the crank pulley via belt or chain. remove the carb. connect the exhaust to an air tank. And control the motor off a pressure switch.


Horribly inefficient. A four stroke only pushes out one out of four strokes. That’s why Dunn uses a two cycle cam in the back half.

An AC compressor compressing air in each action is much better.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 VW Air Compressor Conversion . 'Lucky Lime' .. Dunn Right Reply with quote

The whole valve train could be eliminated and pumping efficiency increased dramatically with a re-designed head using very light springs on the intake and poppet type valves on the exhaust.
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