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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:04 pm Post subject: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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OK the engine is ready for tins, etc... I don't have carbs tho. I figured I would get stock-ish carbs. Air Cooled dot net experts say to go with weber 40 IDFs. My 1st thought was the Solex 34 PDSI.
Engine is TIV 1.7 built to oem 2.0. In a bus of course. Got some assume New Camper Special Heads. IIRC they are ported like the 2.0. Got the 9590 cam from Type 4 store for carbs.
So what should I get? _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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if you plan to use it in winter where you are in TN, consider a whole factory set up. This means other parts, and probably getting the carbs from Tim at Volksblitz. If this is a summer vehicle only then anything with or without chokes will work. That is my 2 cents. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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The type 4 gurus will know what carbs you can run on a two liter. Probably FI or aftermarket racing FI system could be used for mild to great performance. The critical issues are matching the cam and heads and stroke etc with the right venturi size. People run the IDA-48 on them which would be pretty much the ultimate carburetor for a Type 4 2.0 liter Race Engine. A single weber progressive is available but it wouldn't be. a very good choice. typically chokes aren't needed with dual carbs as they warm up nicely being mounted to the aluminum intake manifolds that bolt directly to the heads. Dual ICT 34's are available but have all the complexity and jetting issues of IDF's DRLA's without the performance the larger carburetors offer. The Weber IDF 40 or 44 are probably the best performance for the money. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths!
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Danwvw wrote: |
The type 4 gurus will know what carbs you can run on a two liter. Probably FI or aftermarket racing FI system could be used for mild to great performance. The critical issues are matching the cam and heads and stroke etc with the right venturi size. People run the IDA-48 on them which would be pretty much the ultimate carburetor for a Type 4 2.0 liter Race Engine. A single weber progressive is available but it wouldn't be. a very good choice. typically chokes aren't needed with dual carbs as they warm up nicely being mounted to the aluminum intake manifolds that bolt directly to the heads. |
-17F is the record low there in 1985. Without chokes I think it might be a bit hard to start in really cold weather when it is in the - numbers. The average low in January there is 27F. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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They actually start better once it's below about 20' F just need big enough squirt jets and the trick is to pump the throttle with it very near closed. But If what your after is just a stock performance tame engine then then run the stock carbs or the 34's and choke it. I have a set of Dellorto 40's with "choke" IE enrichment circuits that I have never tried as I don't seem to need chokes on my Dellorto 36's on my 1.8L Type 1 VW Bus engine. The 9590 Cam looks like a great set-up, Looks like it's the cam for the 100 Horse 914 version of the T-4 engine and is mild enough to run Stock FI. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths!
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Danwvw wrote: |
They actually start better once it's below about 20' F just need big enough squirt jets and the trick is to pump the throttle with it very near closed. But If what your after is just a stock performance tame engine then then run the stock carbs or the 34's and choke it. I have a set of Dellorto 40's with "choke" IE enrichment circuits that I have never tried as I don't seem to need chokes on my Dellorto 36's on my 1.8L Type 1 VW Bus engine. |
I didn't know the Oregon coast got to -15F. I had many cars with carbs and chokes when I was younger. It is hard to start one at that temp even with a choke - and without it the raw fuel washes the oil off the cylinders and causes lots of wear. Maybe a block heater too at those temps. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Yes here it's not a problem. But I had a 356 which didn't have chokes in Colorado. Pretty much not happy once it got below -5 Degrees Just too much pumping but it would be ok once I got it going. But yeah sounds like with the mild cam and all FI would be the best way to go. I have heard VW heads on the Type 4's won't rev much to take advantage of much cam. Really need the Porsche heads to rev. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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CessnaJon Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2008 Posts: 677 Location: Senoia,GA
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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My 2.0 is equipped with dual Kadron 40s, without chokes. I’ve never had starting problems in 15 years of ownership here near Atlanta. I recommend the Kadrons. Check out the Kaddy shack- they can build you some carbs to fit your particular application. _________________ 1973 Westy (shared birthday)
1990 Westy Multivan
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2015 Sportwagon TDI 6sp
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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I guess they are OK. Just dirty and rusty, maybe. If VW thought enough of them to use them, I guess I could go with these reburbed???
_________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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RalphWiggam Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2018 Posts: 906 Location: SouthEast
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Im running a similar setup as you with 40IDFs from ACN. I went with the Webers because I know them from tuning them on my 912.
There are millions of them out there. Parts and tuning info will never be a problem.
Sure they might pop and cough a little bit when you start in the morning, but they will run great after the 1st start.
If you are really worried about the choke, you CAN get a choke kit for the 40 IDFs and rig up some kind of cable to activate them.
Choke is not necessary IMO though. A few pumps before turning the key will squirt some fuel down the throats to get them started. |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Dellorto 36
Weber40 idf
Can’t go wrong with either
Electric. Fuel pump with relay
Also low budget Weber 34 ICT carbs _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Quality linkage is also super important _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
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Yonder1981 Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 126 Location: Billings, MT
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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malcolm2 wrote: |
I guess they are OK. Just dirty and rusty, maybe. If VW thought enough of them to use them, I guess I could go with these reburbed???
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I may be interested in that setup if you want to get rid of it. I’m looking for carbs for my 1.7l stock bus motor. The ones I got were apparently for a type 3. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Good luck buying 50 year old carbs _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Uberchin Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2018 Posts: 26 Location: San Antonio, Florida
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Time to buy CARBS... help me out |
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Kaddie Shack sells custom tuned Kadrons in 40mm and 44mm sizes. Very nice carbs. |
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