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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

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zen - where are you getting 3 tab open background badges from? I thought all open badges were 4 tab...


… thank you for chiming-in finster - is there no such thing as a 3 tab, no background emblem? That might explain why this thread has stopped dead-in-it's-tracks - maybe I am looking for a non-existent -part - I found one in the classifieds and splitjunkie set me strait - that it's a reproduction part - also, I've been in touch with " CommodoreCollector" - he's got a 1/53 for sale right now and he told me his '53 was built in 12/52 and has an open (non-solid) background emblem and even though I have asked him if it's a 3 or 4 tab, he has not gotten to me. Sheesh, it might be a 4 tab, for all I know...

So if, as you alluded - 4/50 to 9/52 uses a solid background emblem , with the indented line separating the V & W AND bwaz confirmed that same solid was used for 10/52 to 12/52 Zwitters, that means, that emblem was used from 4/50 to at least, 12/52 - Was that solid really used into the 1953 model and then, " the 4 tab" began in 1/54? if this is fact, that would be awesome - please clarify, if you can - many thanks - z
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

His '53 couldn't have been built in '52. Because IT IS A '52. They didn't start the model years until Aug. '55.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

finster wrote:
zen - where are you getting 3 tab open background badges from? I thought all open badges were 4 tab...


You are correct. There is no such animal as a three tab open background emblem.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

Splitdog wrote:
His '53 couldn't have been built in '52. Because IT IS A '52. They didn't start the model years until Aug. '55.


Hmmm - I believe you AND I believe the seller > oh well...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

emailed a good and reliable friend about when the 4 tab started being used - have to say, this info is also not readily available in (my bible) Car of the Century, either, but I want to add this... here is what Eric said...

"... I combed through parts books and progressive refinements but nothing I found specifically lists when the 4-tab started - however here's my thoughts on it based off what PR does say and maybe reading a little between the lines. I think they had planned to start the 4-tab at the same time as all the other Zwitter changes - 1-397 023 - but this was back in the day of large factory inventories of parts instead of the "just in time" strategy now used in factories. Since VW stamped their sheet metal in-house, I think the reason for the change later in December 52 or January 53 based on Zwitter models from that time period exhibiting a later changeover, was they had too many damn early emblems in stock (since these weren't made in-house) and didn't want to have that kind of stock of a part that never wears out, so they kept stamping hoods for the old emblems until supply dried up. VW wasn't a small company back then but certainly not large enough to want to shove 1000's of perfectly good emblems onto the shelf (and Germany post WW2 was extremely un-wasteful about everything as I came to understand from my Oma who lived through the war). I doubt we'll never know exactly when the emblem change was since it probably wasn't recorded as it was a 'use until stock is exhausted' kind of thing (probably the same reason the parts books don't know)".

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

splitjunkie wrote:
finster wrote:
zen - where are you getting 3 tab open background badges from? I thought all open badges were 4 tab...


You are correct. There is no such animal as a three tab open background emblem.


… excellent - thank you, gentleman - z
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1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

And there you have it.... Over time hopefully people will chime in and we can nail down the exact date-I'm sure there is one.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

Splitdog wrote:
And there you have it.... Over time hopefully people will chime in and we can nail down the exact date-I'm sure there is one.
… i'm sure, you're right...
……………………………………………………………bottom line……………………………

6/49 - 3/50 = V & W connected, solid, 3 tab,hood emblem

4/50 - 12/52 = V & W separated by an indented horizontal line, solid back ground, 3 tab hood emblem

(12/52),- 1953 model Zwitter to 1960, open background, 4 tab hood emblem... -

models - 113, 114, 117, 118, 151, 152
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1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 pin & 4 tab time-line Reply with quote

ZENVWDRIVER wrote:
finster wrote:
zen - where are you getting 3 tab open background badges from? I thought all open badges were 4 tab...


… thank you for chiming-in finster - is there no such thing as a 3 tab, no background emblem? That might explain why this thread has stopped dead-in-it's-tracks - maybe I am looking for a non-existent -part - I found one in the classifieds and splitjunkie set me strait - that it's a reproduction part - also, I've been in touch with " CommodoreCollector" - he's got a 1/53 for sale right now and he told me his '53 was built in 12/52 and has an open (non-solid) background emblem and even though I have asked him if it's a 3 or 4 tab, he has not gotten to me. Sheesh, it might be a 4 tab, for all I know...

So if, as you alluded - 4/50 to 9/52 uses a solid background emblem , with the indented line separating the V & W AND bwaz confirmed that same solid was used for 10/52 to 12/52 Zwitters, that means, that emblem was used from 4/50 to at least, 12/52 - Was that solid really used into the 1953 model and then, " the 4 tab" began in 1/54? if this is fact, that would be awesome - please clarify, if you can - many thanks - z


… darn, thought this was settled - guess not
… saw this in Hawker's gallery - a 3 pin open back-ground, like a 4 tab - does not look to be a reproduction - What is it for? - that emblem is the same one that was on my old 11/4/52 Zwitter and I replaced it with a solid - z

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8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

zen you're going around in circles mate...go back to page 2 of this very thread d'oh!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: 3 tab hood vs. 4 tab hood clarification Reply with quote

finster wrote:
zen you're going around in circles mate...go back to page 2 of this very thread d'oh!


… and I feel dizzy - thanks - z
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5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

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