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blacka1vw
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I was wondering if anyone has seen this in a late bay. We recently got our first bus and were really excited  . It’s a 79 it has the remains of a bulkhead behind both seats. Not just a small reinforcement but a full bulkhead like I’ve seen in pictures of earlier bays. They are both cut off now. It appears that the passenger seat has replaced sliders and some grinding was done in that area too. Could it have been built with the fixed passenger seat like I’ve seen in other photos? Maybe there’s something in the mcodes? It says it was built with 2-0-3 seating.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:13 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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What model bus is this? A camper? There isn't a bulkhead behind the driver's seat?
Late model bays didin't have a bulkhead behind the passenger seat as the seat had the capabilities to pivot rearward and add seating to the cargo/camping area. Pretty neat design touch that they carried out to the Vanagon's.
The seam or "cut" section doesn't look very cut to me. Do you have any photos giving scale to the entire "bulkhead area"? Perhaps shot from the rear of the bus forward?
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alaskadan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:58 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| That's a vanagon seat someone added. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:09 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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A Kombi or panel would have come with both bulkheads (unless M coded for Westfalia), the M plate has all the answers (aside from what your PO was thinking).
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blacka1vw
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| alaskadan wrote: |
| That's a vanagon seat someone added. |
Definitely Vanagon seats.
Drivers seat track is the original but also the late bus style. It’s title as a 79. I got it with Vanagon seats up front and a 3/4 westy bed in back that’s not original. Got a few holes drilled in the floor. I kinda figured it was a home brew camper at some point. Definitely had a spare tire on the front. I’ll get better pics of the inside posted tomorrow. You can definitely see where it was cut.its not horrible but definitely not Vw quality. I decoded the m plate but I’m no expert. Here’s the plate. I’m just curious about it. It’s awesome getting to know this old Bus.
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blacka1vw
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| A Kombi or panel would have come with both bulkheads (unless M coded for Westfalia), the M plate has all the answers (aside from what your PO was thinking). |
It has windows with sliders in the middle and solid windows in the rear. What would make it a Kombi model?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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Well I don't see any Westfalia codes (but I'm not an expert on M plates), I do see a UP which I think means Portland OR, could be a former Riviera, they preferred Commercial models for conversion bases. Here's a bunch of decoders to try: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/search.php?searc..._chars=200
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blacka1vw
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| A Kombi or panel would have come with both bulkheads (unless M coded for Westfalia), the M plate has all the answers (aside from what your PO was thinking). |
It has windows with sliders in the middle and solid windows in the rear. What would make it a Kombi model?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| blacka1vw wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
| A Kombi or panel would have come with both bulkheads (unless M coded for Westfalia), the M plate has all the answers (aside from what your PO was thinking). |
It has windows with sliders in the middle and solid windows in the rear. What would make it a Kombi model? |
Not for sure, lots of models could have had that configuration. How about some more pictures of the rear interior, headlining and cab?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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No sheetmetal like that on my '78 Kombi. Similar to yours with the slider middle side windows. Mine has the small triangular reinforcements. I see the rubber mat in the B pillar photo which seems to go up to the front seat base, so I am betting since that looks in tact it wasn't configured for a camper.
A commercial layout would seem to make sense, though were even those outfitted with the bulkheads? I don't recall ever seeing a bay that late with bulkheads, even though they are beautiful with early bay deluxe panels mounted.
Think they could have been an add on with end of type 2 production to use up old parts like it is known the Factory to do to, just use up what was laying about?
Have you put your M-plate into the decoder yet? There's a goodly lot of codes on that. The programmer is still adding in odd production codes and might benefit if you have new ones to add if the features of that code can be figured out.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:37 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| 78BusGA wrote: |
| Have you put your M-plate into the decoder yet? There's a goodly lot of codes on that. The programmer is still adding in odd production codes and might benefit if you have new ones to add if the features of that code can be figured out. |
I did do the one decoder but I’m not sur I’m interpreting the information correctly that it’s giving me back. Here are some more photos. I took a few inside the structure of the passenger seat and there is a reinforcement/bolt plate in the back near where my seat belt buckle bolts on on that side. Also just above where they started cutting on the pillars there are spot welds drilled and paint missing from something else that’s gone now. Interior has wood grain side panels not sure if those were something someone added. The headliner is paneling now but I’m not sure what was there originally. Thanks for the input guys.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:04 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| had a 79 passenger bus, for just a hot min, and it had the sliders. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:39 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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Those stripes are badass! 
I see a short vinyl headliner over the cab, that says Kombi not for Westfalia to me, the interior parts and middle windows were likely added by a PO from a junkyard find.
The RH seat tracks have been added later, you can see the spot where the cleat for the non adjustable seat were attached here:
Looks like a nice bus with good bones, be happy a hacked seat is the worst of your problems, others have to replace the lower 6" of the body all the way around.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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No floor vent/flapper door for rear heat
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
Those stripes are badass!
Looks like a nice bus with good bones, be happy a hacked seat is the worst of your problems, others have to replace the lower 6" of the body all the way around. |
Thanks we are really happy to have it. Some of the other buses we were considering were the other kind. The ones where you have to replace the whole bottom.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| ImAddicted wrote: |
| No floor vent/flapper door for rear heat |
where would these parts be located?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:04 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
Those stripes are badass!
I see a short vinyl headliner over the cab, that says Kombi not for Westfalia to me, the interior parts and middle windows were likely added by a PO from a junkyard find. |
Right? I always thought Kombis had solid middle and rear windows. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:35 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| babysnakes wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
Those stripes are badass!
I see a short vinyl headliner over the cab, that says Kombi not for Westfalia to me, the interior parts and middle windows were likely added by a PO from a junkyard find. |
Right? I always thought Kombis had solid middle and rear windows. |
Bone stock yes, but they could be ordered with vents if you wanted.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:08 am Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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| blacka1vw wrote: |
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| No floor vent/flapper door for rear heat |
where would these parts be located? |
Upon the floor in the area the middle seat goes, centered, pretty sure where that flat spot is in your pic by the seat mount plate and center seam. Would look like this
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: 79 Bus with remnants of both seat bulkheads |
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That's usually only found on deluxe buses, commercials don't get the fancy stuff like that.
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