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SGKent 
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 Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:43 pm Post subject: no idea what I have done |
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In the past when I build an engine, I bolt 1/2 of the case to the engine stand. When it comes time to add pistons and cylinders after the case is assembled, I put the pistons into the cylinder from the top and push them until the wrist pin is exposed. Then I slide one over the connecting rod then do the other. Rotate the engine over when done and do the other side.
This time on the 3/4 side the only way I am going to get them on is to either remove the engine from the stand so the stand isn't in the way of the #3 wrist pin, or put 3 or 4 on over the piston instead of putting the piston and cylinder on as a unit. I hate sliding the piston into the cylinder from the bottom because the rings want to hang on the cut out section of the cylinder. The stand is the same stand I have always used and I find it hard to believe that the oil filter protrusion is taller than the other case but I haven't looked at that yet between cases. The crankshaft is the same, and the deck is the same so the case has to be the same width etc.. Stand is on the same side of the case as it normally is.
Anyone know what I am mis-thinking here? Basically both the 3 and 4 wrist pins have to come from the inside unless I move the case to the workbench. I've never had to do that before, and I have never had to put the cylinder on after the piston is mounted that I recall.
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Angus II
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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Hello,
Ain't it a bitch getting out and forgetful...
Edit: I guess I'll leave it that way since, we all are having fun with it... 
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airschooled
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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Do you have your engine stand on the 3/4 case half? The last T4 I was deep into preferred the #4 then #3 pins, both installed from the front, with the engine stand mounted on the 1/2 case half…
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alman72
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| Angus II wrote: |
Hello,
Ain't it a bitch getting out and forgetful... |
old. and your typing skills suffer as well |
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SGKent
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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yes the 3/4 side. After installing the #4 cylinder I had to set it on the workbench, pull the stand yoke, install the #3 cylinder then put it back on the stand. With two cylinders and a flywheel that gets to be heavy for a 70 year old with a bad back but Cathy held the engine stand from taking off which helped a lot. Last time I had it off the stand it was without the flywheel or cylinders. Even with stuff around the wheels the stand took off, and it was a pain to put the engine back in the stand while chasing the stand across the garage. I also put a towel between me and the studs so I wasn't being perforated by them this time.
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jtauxe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| alman72 wrote: |
| Angus II wrote: |
Hello,
Ain't it a bitch getting out and forgetful... |
old. and your typing skills suffer as well |
Touché!
And, count me in...
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SGKent
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| jtauxe wrote: |
| alman72 wrote: |
| Angus II wrote: |
Hello,
Ain't it a bitch getting out and forgetful... |
old. and your typing skills suffer as well |
Touché!
And, count me in... |
John last time I saw you, it seems like you were a happy go lucky 29 year old. Have you aged that much? 
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jtauxe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| SGKent wrote: |
| John last time I saw you, it seems like you were a happy go lucky 29 year old. Have you aged that much? |
I am only 10 years behind you, old man.
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| yes the 3/4 side. After installing the #4 cylinder I had to set it on the workbench, pull the stand yoke, install the #3 cylinder then put it back on the stand. With two cylinders and a flywheel that gets to be heavy for a 70 year old with a bad back but Cathy held the engine stand from taking off which helped a lot. Last time I had it off the stand it was without the flywheel or cylinders. Even with stuff around the wheels the stand took off, and it was a pain to put the engine back in the stand while chasing the stand across the garage. I also put a towel between me and the studs so I wasn't being perforated by them this time. |
Oh, man, be careful. I messed up my back permanently due to this hobby, specifically lifting an engine with my wife and daughter's help, even.
Led to severe pain, followed by angst and examining my choices in life and how dire the consequences might be (like never hiking or even driving again, etc.), and MRIs, then physical therapy. I am now much much better, but a lot more wary of lifting anything much. Scary stuff. 
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SGKent
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| jtauxe wrote: |
| SGKent wrote: |
| John last time I saw you, it seems like you were a happy go lucky 29 year old. Have you aged that much? |
I am only 10 years behind you, old man.
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| yes the 3/4 side. After installing the #4 cylinder I had to set it on the workbench, pull the stand yoke, install the #3 cylinder then put it back on the stand. With two cylinders and a flywheel that gets to be heavy for a 70 year old with a bad back but Cathy held the engine stand from taking off which helped a lot. Last time I had it off the stand it was without the flywheel or cylinders. Even with stuff around the wheels the stand took off, and it was a pain to put the engine back in the stand while chasing the stand across the garage. I also put a towel between me and the studs so I wasn't being perforated by them this time. |
Oh, man, be careful. I messed up my back permanently due to this hobby, specifically lifting an engine with my wife and daughter's help, even.
Led to severe pain, followed by angst and examining my choices in life and how dire the consequences might be (like never hiking or even driving again, etc.), and MRIs, then physical therapy. I am now much much better, but a lot more wary of lifting anything much. Scary stuff. |
Very much so John. In 2010 we were rearended the day after we got home from a Raleigh trip. I think that was trip we stopped by to see you. My back was messed up for 9 years and the spasms would not stop. About six months ago when this Covid thing started we weren't spending as much time outside so I started taking a D3 vitamin in addition to the D3 that was in my normal vitamins. Within hours the spasms stopped and as long as I take 2000 IU a day of Vitamin D they stay away. On the occasional day that they start a little, an additional vitamin D stops them. One does not want to OD on Vitamin D because it can harm or even kill someone but 1000 - 2000 IU a day is considered safe. People who go to visit the Inuit and eat a seal liver sometimes get so much vitamin D that they can die. So moderation is good. So if you don't take Vitamin D consider it. For me 2000 IU is the magic number.
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aeromech
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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Your problem is that it’s too damn hot in your garage right now
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orwell84
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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| Came across the same thing taking apart my engine... the order and direction of getting our wrist pins...was one of those oh yeah moments. |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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steve, I drive all my pins in from the rear (pulley end) of the engine.
push piston out far enough to get the pin in. circlip installed on the "captured" side. push pin in. install clip
for example, I will push #3 pin in from the #4 stud area where the cylinder would sit. same goes for the 1-2 side. 1 on first, then 2. 3 on first then 4
never had an issue with the yoke being in the way
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SGKent
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: no idea what I have done |
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on a t4 the oil cooler stand off won't let the pin in from that side on #4. The only alternative way is put the pins in with the cylinders off and put the piston in the bottom of the cylinder. My yoke gets in the way of the pin going into #3 from the flywheel side.
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