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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:40 pm Post subject: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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It has been over 2 years since I took this apart. I remember it being asymmetrical. That is, I believe the same bracket is used on both sides. Orientation of the brackets and which holes in the brackets to use... has faded from my memory. I had a hard time finding any pictures on here that showed me enough detail, or told me which side the CLOSE-UP was taken from. And the engine was always in the way. Not here boys.....
So do I have this right?
Just dry fitting stuff before I get the heavy engine in there and determine I have something wrong.
DRIVER'S side
PASSENGER side
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pioneer1 Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2008 Posts: 2069 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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Im guessing you have the later 1700 engine. The mustache bar fastens to the motor before installing the engine...and becomes evident as the dip is for clearance on the a.alternator _________________ "Always waiting for tomorrow ruined everything"
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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Looks right to me, don't forget to put the bar on before the exhaust as well..
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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Anyone else think this is correct?
Remember this is a dry run. I am not leaving it here. I want to know EXACTLY how to mount the brackets and EXACTLY how to mount the bar. THIS IS NOT STAYING HERE.
I measured from each mount hole in the "dip" of the mustache to the outside of the frame on each side. I figured that was a way to check it the engine would be centered.
driver side hole to driver side frame = 19-1/2"
pass side hole to pass side frame = 20"
While that is not THE SAME, I really don't see another way to mount this thing. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing)
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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pioneer1 wrote: |
Im guessing you have the later 1700 engine. The mustache bar fastens to the motor before installing the engine...and becomes evident as the dip is for clearance on the a.alternator |
Maybe.... but i think it is clearance for the vertical pipe that comes up from the HE thru the tin and has the AUX fan hose attached to it.
Yes, I am pretty sure I said this is a DRY FIT. they don't have those in the great white north? _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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Study the pics in your Bentley manual, those mounts are often caught in the background of another procedures pictures. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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The mount was design to fit around the alternator and the duct work was designed to miss both the bar and the alternator. As others said you have to install the bar in the correct sequence or you will be pulling things back apart to get it on. I would guess that most of us have had to redo certain steps in putting this part of the engine package together at least once. |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
I would guess that most of us have had to redo certain steps in putting this part of the engine package together at least once. |
Nope, not me. _________________ -Kent-
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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KentABQ wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
I would guess that most of us have had to redo certain steps in putting this part of the engine package together at least once. |
Nope, not me. |
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SamboSamba22 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2015 Posts: 2772 Location: Benton, Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:35 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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The 72 mustache bar functions the same, the only difference being the brackets that attach from bar to bus. They have a taller shape to them. The bar will attach to the engine mounts one way, I seem to recall there's just enough offset to only allow one way of attaching it to the engine before exhaust, and to hoist the engine/mustache bar into the bus as a unit.
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SantaBubba Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2020 Posts: 12 Location: Ct
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:06 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7107
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:35 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:15 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
Unless it's a Brazilian built bus, they use a different mount system with no bar. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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SantaBubba Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2020 Posts: 12 Location: Ct
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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busdaddy wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
Unless it's a Brazilian built bus, they use a different mount system with no bar. |
How would I find that out, mine seems to have two motor mounts near the bumper. Thanks |
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7107
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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SantaBubba wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
Unless it's a Brazilian built bus, they use a different mount system with no bar. |
How would I find that out, mine seems to have two motor mounts near the bumper. Thanks |
Post some pics of your bus, we'll let you know what you have. |
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SantaBubba Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2020 Posts: 12 Location: Ct
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
Unless it's a Brazilian built bus, they use a different mount system with no bar. |
How would I find that out, mine seems to have two motor mounts near the bumper. Thanks |
Post some pics of your bus, we'll let you know what you have. |
Ok will do tomorrow thanks |
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SantaBubba Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2020 Posts: 12 Location: Ct
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:05 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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SantaBubba wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
SantaBubba wrote: |
I have a 1970 bus, it doesn’t have a mustache bar, is this normal |
Your '70 needs a bar. They look different that the '72 and onward buses. |
Unless it's a Brazilian built bus, they use a different mount system with no bar. |
How would I find that out, mine seems to have two motor mounts near the bumper. Thanks |
Post some pics of your bus, we'll let you know what you have. |
Ok will do tomorrow thanks |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:13 am Post subject: Re: 72 mustache bar.... Is this right? |
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the horns are where the ends of the mustache bar sit. It is held to the engine with 3 bolts. The rubber mounts go between the bar and horns on the frame.
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1968-71 Mustache Bar Normally found on US models
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