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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 am    Post subject: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Hi all,
New to the site and new to VW.
I have a problem, a thing fell off and I need help!




Just kidding, but not really.

I recently brought a 1976 FJ40 back to life and love it. It's woefully imperfect, but immensely joyful. A great friend of mine, who owned an FJ55 in Colorado years ago, loves to see and hear about it. He drives an 80's diesel mercedes, had been making biodiesel and he's been hiding a bus in his garage for 20 years, completely buried under years of boxes; completely hidden to the casual passerby.
I've been bugging him to just get it running since I've enjoyed the FJ so much.

"Don't get it right, just get it running!"

Part of my plan to help him get it running is to get it unburied. Everytime I go to the scrap or recycling yard I stop by to see what I can take. On this fateful day, driving my yellow FJ40 with trailer in tow, I stop by and the garage door is up. What is that I see? Why yes, the orange and white creamsicle backside of a bus.

After loading up 50+ gallons of used vegetable oil, used motor oil and two 50 gallon drums, he asks if I'll take one more thing? "Of course!, What?" "A bus", "are you kidding me?! I'll be back in two hours with a truck and trailer."

Now I have what I was told is a 73 bus and 1800 engine on a pallet(the thing that fell off). I think it's a 74 based on the December 1973 build date.

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I'm still not sure what the engine is. I've soaked it for days with motor oil and able to turn it over by hand. I've tried a leak down test, but I don't think I'm doing it right. Only one cylinder shows ok, the other three leak profusely out the intake.
I don't think the intake is correct Smile but it may have worked previously.

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The interior is pretty remarkable, in my opinion. The front seat cushions have been nested in, but otherwise all seems ok. I'll take some pictures soon.

The battery tray and rear corner are gone, but it came with patch panels.

I am ignorant and excited, a powerful combination.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Welcome to the madness. Get a Bentley manual, it will help you a lot as you learn the nuances of an ACVW. ‘74 should have carbs so there’s that. Missing intake studs but at this point, we don’t know if the heads are good so just make note of that and move on. Honestly, if it was me, I’d crack it open. There’s a lot of unknowns with a sitting motor in general, more so with one that had been pulled years ago. It got pulled for a reason, time to find out what that reason is. Maybe will get lucky and just need a reseal, might find a hornets nest. It’s already down to the long block, might as well keep going. T4 internals can be a bitch to find in good quality, so preserving what you have that’s OEM might be an option, best way to find out what is good is to crack it open.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

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I am ignorant and excited, a powerful combination.
I nearly blew coffee out of my nose! You have the right attitude for this site and this project. These guys are helpful and know their stuff. Welcome! Someone cue the bears....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Welcome
You can’t be ignorant because you just joined a great website with people that
Have a lot of knowledge Very Happy
Have fun with your new Westfalia and asks lots of questions .
Chris
The engine is from a 411/412 previously
Oil filler and vented cyl.head type-4
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Welcome! Im south of Atlanta... rebuilding a 71 Westy.

camino70 wrote:
Hi all,
New to the site and new to VW.
I have a problem, a thing fell off and I need help!


Just kidding, but not really.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Some additional pictures.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

The story is it was pulled from a rotten away bus to replace a seized engine, but it has been sitting an awfully long time. I don't know if it is nativity, impatience or ???, but I kind of want to throw the parts that came with it at it to see if it will run. Though, I know pulling it apart is the right answer....

ImAddicted wrote:
Welcome to the madness. Get a Bentley manual, it will help you a lot as you learn the nuances of an ACVW. ‘74 should have carbs so there’s that. Missing intake studs but at this point, we don’t know if the heads are good so just make note of that and move on. Honestly, if it was me, I’d crack it open. There’s a lot of unknowns with a sitting motor in general, more so with one that had been pulled years ago. It got pulled for a reason, time to find out what that reason is. Maybe will get lucky and just need a reseal, might find a hornets nest. It’s already down to the long block, might as well keep going. T4 internals can be a bitch to find in good quality, so preserving what you have that’s OEM might be an option, best way to find out what is good is to crack it open.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Cuccuzze wrote:
Welcome! Im south of Atlanta... rebuilding a 71 Westy.

camino70 wrote:
Hi all,
New to the site and new to VW.
I have a problem, a thing fell off and I need help!


Just kidding, but not really.



I wish you were a bit closer and I was a bit less reclusive at the moment. I'd love to offer a hand with hopes of learning something.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

ImAddicted wrote:
Welcome to the madness. Get a Bentley manual, it will help you a lot as you learn the nuances of an ACVW. ‘74 should have carbs so there’s that. Missing intake studs but at this point, we don’t know if the heads are good so just make note of that and move on. Honestly, if it was me, I’d crack it open. There’s a lot of unknowns with a sitting motor in general, more so with one that had been pulled years ago. It got pulled for a reason, time to find out what that reason is. Maybe will get lucky and just need a reseal, might find a hornets nest. It’s already down to the long block, might as well keep going. T4 internals can be a bitch to find in good quality, so preserving what you have that’s OEM might be an option, best way to find out what is good is to crack it open.

Is this the Bentley manual?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

The carbon built up in and above the intake port falls down and fouls the valve causing near zero compression, it usually takes about 30 secs of running to clear the valves or a whole lot of cranking since the engine will not want to start on only one cylinder. If you have compressed air available you can try blowing air in through the spark plug hole while the intake valve for that cylinder is open and see if that will work.

I think your engine is a 2.0L for a Porsche, but most parts will be the same as a bus Type 4 engine.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

The afore mentioned FJ

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Nice! I've never owned one but FJ's are a world unto themselves. I think there is a place near me that specializes in them.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

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ImAddicted wrote:
Welcome to the madness. Get a Bentley manual, it will help you a lot as you learn the nuances of an ACVW. ‘74 should have carbs so there’s that. Missing intake studs but at this point, we don’t know if the heads are good so just make note of that and move on. Honestly, if it was me, I’d crack it open. There’s a lot of unknowns with a sitting motor in general, more so with one that had been pulled years ago. It got pulled for a reason, time to find out what that reason is. Maybe will get lucky and just need a reseal, might find a hornets nest. It’s already down to the long block, might as well keep going. T4 internals can be a bitch to find in good quality, so preserving what you have that’s OEM might be an option, best way to find out what is good is to crack it open.

Is this the Bentley manual?


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You have a nice selection there. I find the Transporter Haynes is the one I pick up most often as the Bentley mixes engine types in the same paragraph and isn't well indexed. The Haynes is also more do it yourself oriented. I do own the Bentley and the 411/412 Type 4 car Haynes as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Bentley manual is the green in position top,right of photo

Robert Bentley is the publisher of said manual. Women prefer a Bentley, Gentlemen Prefer Haynes.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Mike, you maybe correct since it did have air injection and a air pump
Catalytic converter came to the USA in 1975

To the new owner, Very Happy
Look for the engine # on the case please.in your spare time.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

I’d like to meet up sometime. I’m just west of you off of Ga Hwy 20. I can help you with that project. LMK.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

old DKP driver wrote:
Mike, you maybe correct since it did have air injection and a air pump
Catalytic converter came to the USA in 1975

To the new owner, Very Happy
Look for the engine # on the case please.in your spare time.


I've been cleaning bit by bit, looking for information. I thought I found something under the grit in the top side, but it looks like tool marks. Any suggestions on what to look for and where?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Jeff Geisen wrote:
I’d like to meet up sometime. I’m just west of you off of Ga Hwy 20. I can help you with that project. LMK.


Uhhh, yes please! What beer, food, drink do you like?!
I'm pretty far east in Canton, on the border of Alpharetta. Near the Publix at 980 Birmingham rd.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Intro - 1974 Westfalia Reply with quote

Camino 70,
VW put the engine numbers below the breather tower
Porsche put them on the case (on top) between cylinders 2&4 which
Will face the fan housing

If it’s a 74/75 bus case it should start with the letters AW or ED and possibly EB

Porsche 914 should be GA Or. GC or possibly GB
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