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wagohn Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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Wildthings wrote: |
wagohn wrote: |
ivwshane wrote: |
Alrighty! Wheels are off ....
The rear drums require I remove the castle nut |
I don't think they do. |
You can't replace the outer rear wheels seals and add make up grease to the bearings with the hubs in place, so your brake job is only half done if you don't deal with the nuts. |
Understood, but you still don't have to remove the castle nut to remove the drum. This confused me as a newb and I went looking for a suitable socket. Then I realized the drum came off independently. _________________ 1976 VW Transporter, 2.0 FI Engine |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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I got the drum off finally what a pita. It wasn't stuck to the hub and it spun freely so I don't know what it was. I eventually just opened the bleeder valve to see if it was just some tight shoes. After that I finally got it off. The good news is that everything is as dry as a bone, a rusty bone but dry.
This may be a dumb question but if I get the did brakes working with the type IV motor, what will I have to do if I swapped it for a type 1? The reason for doing this is because I have a type 1 motor I could use while I refurbish and convert the type 4 to FI. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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All the motor does is supply manifold vacuum for the power brakes to work, so there will hardly be a difference between the two. |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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Wildthings wrote: |
All the motor does is supply manifold vacuum for the power brakes to work, so there will hardly be a difference between the two. |
On the type 4 that comes from the plenum right? Where does it come from on the type 1? _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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It looks like someone put an early bay MC and late bay brakes all over. You could get the proper late booster and MC, since you have the mounting plate and likely want fresh components anyway. (The new boosters I’ve tried have all been pretty uncontrollable. Go for a rebuilt original, or Guinea Pig the genuine VW boo$ter available from BD for us.)
I don’t know if the MC internals are different early to late, but factory discs without the booster suck, in my opinion. Is there a proportioning valve? You’ll want that if you keep the front discs. Pay special attention to the mounting angle; get it wrong and you will have spooky random lockups.
Power brakes do not care what powers them. You could stick a [insert engine here] in there, and your brakes will feel the same as your late bay..
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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ivwshane wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
All the motor does is supply manifold vacuum for the power brakes to work, so there will hardly be a difference between the two. |
On the type 4 that comes from the plenum right? Where does it come from on the type 1? |
It comes from the intake manifold(s) same as it would for a carbureted Type 4. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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As far as the T1 vacuum hookup, I harked this pic from busdaddy’s gallery... see the 1/2” hose running over the coil? It connects at the junction of the vertical/horizontal intake manifold pipes, so even if you mash your foot on the brakes it won’t interrupt airflow too much.
For parts searching, its essentially the same manifold as the auto-stick Type 1 engines, though some purveyors of those part$ think they shit gold bars or something....
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ivwshane Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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I did not see a proportioning valve. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
70 single cab |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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Thanks guys! I'm getting my plan together and making a parts list. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Brake maintenance time for unknown PO swap |
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ivwshane wrote: |
I did not see a proportioning valve. |
One can drive without a proportioning valve, but would be more apt to skid the rear tires in a hard stop and thus lose directional stability. |
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