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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Remembrance Day/Veteran's Day Dash Removal

Following Ray's "Dead Simple" removal instructions to remove the dash.
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Ashtray out; lots of cracks in this dash.
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Side window defrosters. Found it easier to remove the hose behind, squeeze at 3 and 9 o'clock position, and push out from behind.
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Strap removal from the glovebox. That silly little clip with the wire through it needed to be removed as well.
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Pull the knobs off the vent/fan control and remove the bolts that hold the whole assembly. Maybe some ATF fluid on these cables?
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Don't forget the Phillips screw in the glovebox for the trunk release.
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Instrument clusters came out by undoing a knurled nut behind them. Mine only had one nut on each which held a hold down lever.
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Label all wires...
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Untwist the speedometer cable.
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Remove all switches from the dash. A special tool would make the job easier. I suffered but got them out eventually.
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Then grab the whole dash and pull it towards you. Voila, Ray's 1.5 hours took me 4, but it was my first time!
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The prize.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

GOOD JOB! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

A little bit more headway on Saturday.
Removed the front metal panel and the heater diverters at the front wheel well.
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Removed the door sensors.
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Finally got a look under the fuse box wall.
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Took off the wiper blades.
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I think I see a problem here!
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Removed some very warped seatbelt posts.
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Your comments are appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Saturday's small project. My bodyman/painter friend came over to assess the car. Yes, he loves it and will assist in the restoration. He showed me a quick way of removing the chrome on the drip rail. Take a small piece of wood and a hammer and gently tap along the chrome, starting at one end. You won't damage the chrome because the wood is softer than the metal. But I'm sure you all knew this.

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I'm still relatively new at all this and need all the help I can get!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Nice tip on removing the chrome. The trim pieces on the 411/412 are not very easy to source. The more you can preserve, the better.
Good work on your project,
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

So I actually removed a whole bunch of chrome in the last two weeks. The drip rail was relatively easy using a piece of wood and a hammer.
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For some reason, I decided to remove the rearview mirror next. Easy, once I figured out you just need to rotate left or right.
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Continuing with the door chrome, just dig in your fingernails and rotate the chrome towards you.
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The 412 script came out easily by using a small pry bar. I could not figure out how to remove the plastic grommets from the engine bay.
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While there, I also removed the 6 water drainage plugs from the engine lid.
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And now for the dreaded wheel arch chrome. First I built some wooden stands. Used the original jack and removed the wheels.
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Actually the front arches came off quite easily by using a 8 mm nut welded to a small socket. The key is getting the crud out of each speed nut and lots of Liquid Wrench.
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And for an evening project a little cleaning up of the hubcaps.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Walt,
You and I are having fun digging into our 412’s. I will not be taking my dash out...just one crack by the ashtray and no rust issues anywhere under the windshield. I am lucky. Mine was garaged for much of it’s life.. What are you going to do about your dash? Good job and keep going!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Hi Bill,
You give me inspiration! Regarding the dash, my bodyman/painter friend has connections with all aspects of restoration. He recommended a specialist for dash repair. The one thing I'm sure about, it will cost a bit of money! My friend did a very nice paint job on my '66 Bug, so I will listen to his advice.

Walter
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Keep us posted on that dash repair. I would like to repair my crack...but in the car. All ears here!
Maybe after this whole covid thing is over and the border opens up we can get together. We are not too far apart.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

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Hi Bill,
You give me inspiration! Regarding the dash, my bodyman/painter friend has connections with all aspects of restoration. He recommended a specialist for dash repair. The one thing I'm sure about, it will cost a bit of money! My friend did a very nice paint job on my '66 Bug, so I will listen to his advice.


I have a contact overseas that has 2 dashboards for sale. Last I looked, he was asking around 230 Euros for each one. From what I recall, they both looked pretty good and appeared to have no splits or cracks in it.

If you want more information, reach out to me via PM, as the seller doesn't speak English.

Either way -- good luck! - Ron
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Walter,
Are you trying to save your wheel arch trims? I have all mine including the two small bottom pieces. The rest of them are pretty banged up. If you are saving them how are you going to get the dents out? I have not figured that one out yet and want to save them.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Pepperbilly wrote:
Walter,
Are you trying to save your wheel arch trims? I have all mine including the two small bottom pieces. The rest of them are pretty banged up. If you are saving them how are you going to get the dents out? I have not figured that one out yet and want to save them.
Bill


I am going kind of a different route with mine. Mine are "decent".....but have a few dents.

You "could" grind the dents to get down to the base metal and then use lead free body solder to fill them and sand them smooth. Then you should be able to have them rechromed. Or if you are skilled and have a tig welder.....you could do the same work and have them chromed.

My car will eventually be its original L96M Marathon blue metallic.....and I am thinking of solder patching the wheel arch trims and then powder coating them black....along with the roof line trim.....the bumpers......the mirrors...the front VW symbol and thd 412 logo on the engine hatch.... and door handles. I also have metal finger plate dishes for tbe door handles.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Bill,
My painter buddy, aka paid friend, came over and looked at the whole car. Regarding the wheel arches, he was pretty confident that he can straighten them out. I'm not sure how he does it, possibly with hammer and dolly, but it's amazing what he can do.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

NurseryWalt wrote:
Bill,
My painter buddy, aka paid friend, came over and looked at the whole car. Regarding the wheel arches, he was pretty confident that he can straighten them out. I'm not sure how he does it, possibly with hammer and dolly, but it's amazing what he can do.

Walter


Yep.....as long as the chrome is not, scratched or cracked.....or the dents are not sharp creases....someone who is skilled with fine detail body tools could fix them.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

So these were chrome plated pieces to begin with?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Pepperbilly wrote:
So these were chrome plated pieces to begin with?
Bill


Yes. They were chrome plated.

I dont know off the top of my head whether they were proper triple chrome plated but they were chrome and I have rarely seen them rust except when scratched up or from the backside in some cases. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Another Saturday update on a Monday:
Started with something easy like removing the tail lights.
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Then removed the rear bumper with the 4 13 mm bolts.
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Tried to remove the front bumper but ran into two stubborn bolts. Will hit it with copious amounts of Liquid Wrench this week.
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Removed the shift indicator. Seems to be broken. Maybe it can be glued?
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Removed the defroster vents.
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Removed the fan.
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Looked into the cavity behind the fan. Lots of pine needles!
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Removed the wiper motor and arms.
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Removed the worn upside down brake pad.
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Exposed a naked brake pedal.
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In the afternoon I picked up my Christmas present--a Tonka VW Bug. It was supposed to be the exact color match!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

I dont think i have yet done a wiper motor unit "how to".

A couple of things to look into. The wiper motors on ACVW's in general and 411/412....are notoriously slow. One of the things that REALLY improves this is in using a better grease than what they used at the factory in the gear box and in the wiper spindles.

So back in the day....the grease in the wiper gear box was really a thickened spur gear oil very similar to that used in the steering gear box except that it was not "sulfurized" EP gear oil. It was a VERY tacky grease.

I used to replace it with a Lubriplate brand grease that was at least 50% better for less drag.....but still too tacky and produces a lot of drag. This was long before I discovered Superlube.....which would be at least a 25% improvement over the lubriplate.....and John Deere "Corn head" grease would even be far better.

But....ideally....sealing the flat lid with a thin gasket and putting in a 120 to 140 weight gear oil like the Superlube....with no sulfur....plastic friendly.....would be ideal.

The other thing that needs to be done is cleaning the motor bearings and putting 8n a thin synthetic oil and polishing the brush contact areas.....and adjusting the shaft freeplay.

The other....very high drag.....area.....is the wiper shafts. The best way to get them moving super smooth is to disassemble and clean well. Then with the wiper arm removed.....use a piece of 12mm fuel line clamped over the shaft with the other end clamped to a grease gun hose....to force pump the brass outer tube over each shaft full of either superlube or cornhead grease while the wipers are running...until it oozes out the inside. This makes for much more slick running.

One last thing I will mention. One thing the wiper motors suffer from is poor voltage supply. When other things like headlights, heater and blower motor are running....you can see the wipers slow down.

I have found some very nice Taiwanese made.....12 volt to 12 volt and up to 14 volt....voltage stabilizer circuits. These are effectively a small circuit box that is like a mini "buck and boost". They take incoming voltage and rectify it.

These would be ideal in our cars.....for keeping fuel injection input voltage stable, ignition coil voltage stable and windhield wiper voltage stable. They would also be ideal if you a powerful stereo like I do....for keeping head unit voltage at 14 volts.

I was looking at these last year. They are in the maybe $50 range. Depending on output akperage draw you may be able to use one unit for two or more systems. I will dig out the info shortly and post it in a seperate thread so we can discuss the possibilities.

For the fuel injection alone...one of these would be excellent. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

Hello,

A trick that has been used on a similar age vehicle to the 411/2 is to replace the original windscreen wiper motor with one out of the Mark 4 Golf. With this modification the wipers operate at modern car wiper speeds with a smaller more powerful motor drawing less current and producing less heat.

I will try to dig out the instructions and post them on here.

Best regards,

Rob
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find Reply with quote

A note on the picture you posted above with the fan in it. On both sides of the fan are thin rubber flaps. Make sure that they are in really good shape, not warped, open and close without sticking and seal well.

I know this because I made the mistake of reinstalling the housing with a warped flap. It's an ingenious set-up, but they must seal correctly to prevent cool air from coming in the car.

This also applies to flaps on the air distribution box.

Take the time to make sure that is put together with those considerations. It will reward you with draftless vents!
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