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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Hawker wrote: |
Hello,
A trick that has been used on a similar age vehicle to the 411/2 is to replace the original windscreen wiper motor with one out of the Mark 4 Golf. With this modification the wipers operate at modern car wiper speeds with a smaller more powerful motor drawing less current and producing less heat.
I will try to dig out the instructions and post them on here.
Best regards,
Rob |
Very cool!
I have been playing with some others. I have a 90 Golf wiper set up that could fit as well....but even those were underpowered. Ray |
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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I finally got the two stubborn bolts out and was able to remove the front bumper. On one of them, I used a 1/2" socket (12.7 mm) and the other one need a 14 mm open end to hold the nut. Small victories to keep my happy!
Front bumper top side.
Front bumper underneath. It has the extra metal bar inside.
_________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Abelclasico Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2017 Posts: 152 Location: Carrboro, NC
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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That bumper should polish out fine if you use some steel wool + polishing compound. For the inside, if you try to remove as much rust as possible and then apply some Oxigone (or similar) followed by Hammerite paint, you should be able to protect it for years. I did that on mine and they are the shiniest thing on the car right now,
cheers,
Abel |
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Hi Abel,
I talked to my restorer about the bumpers. There is a place nearby that does really nice rechroming...at about $2000.00 per bumper! If I go that route, all I would think about while driving is NOT to get hit. I think I will try the steel wool option first.
Thanks, Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Pepperbilly Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2017 Posts: 977 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Walter,
Does that price include straightening and removing dings? My front bumper is straight but my rear is slightly bent right in the middle. I am also in search of someone to rechrome but have not started looking yet.
Bill |
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Bill,
I will probably take my four bumpers to the place and let them pick the best two and give me a quote. The place is Atomic Plating Ltd. in Mission, BC. I'm pretty sure that is the complete price. The chemical disposal fees have shot up recently. I'll keep you posted.
Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Pepperbilly Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2017 Posts: 977 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Thanks Walter,
It is not easy to find good chrome plating shops these days. Here in the US the EPA pretty much made it impossible to do this anymore and when you find someone good it is EXPENSIVE! I have a feeling you and I think alike when restoring. I am prepared to pay the price to do it right. Yeah, keep me posted.
Bill |
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Another Saturday in the garage. I came mentally prepared to fight the two stubborn bolts holding on the front fenders, only to find the came loose as easy as a brand new bolt! Amazing what Liquid Wrench will do over a week.
Here is the right side without the fender with minimal rust underneath.
Close up of the fuel filler release. I'll need to fix that.
Left fender well also not too bad.
Engine lid removed just because it was easy.
Front Trunk removed - notice the dull paint.
Here is the best part of the car...underneath the trunk lid...untouched! Got to love the rich color. My painter friend is excited about this.
Started removing the rear fenders. What an exercise in finding all the bolts. This one was under the headliner, covered in expandable foam. Waiting for Liquid Wrench to loosen up two Phillips screws.
Not too bad a day after all.
Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Abelclasico Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2017 Posts: 152 Location: Carrboro, NC
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Those fender wheels like like they will be just fine with some cleaning with a wire brush and some protective paint.
How difficult was to remove the passenger's wing compared to the driver's. I know that you have to disconnect the gas cap release, but is there anything else?
cheers,
Abel |
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Abel,
Gas cap release was two phillips screws. Then just twist the release through the opening. That part was easy. Some of the fender bolts were a bit tricky to reach.
Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Pepperbilly Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2017 Posts: 977 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Walter,
My driver side upper corner was pretty bad. Had to cut the lower section of the crumple stiffener out. That section I probably will leave open... unless there are better thoughts on this.
The area above the fuse panel I also had to cut out... there was nothing left. If this area is not structural maybe just pop rivet a plate over that hole and seal up with MasterSeries. Waiting for Ray to chime in!
Bill
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Pepperbilly....
The area of that box structure....I believe is a lateral stiffener to keep the "crushable" inner fender well from distorting from normal front end load. I would add some metal onto that. It does not have to be pretty. I think a simple bent strip of metal that is thicker than what is there...lapped underneath and welded on top to encapsulate the thinner original skin could do just fine. Then just a handful of large tack welds on the lower edge to connect it to the body.
Bulges and ribs like those in the red circle can be telltale of where strengthening points are necessary.
The square hole you had to cut....agree. Slap a plate over it with rivets and seal it..
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Start of the New Year by removing the rear fenders. The 10 mm bolts are fairly straightforward once you find them. Some are even inside the car under the headliner. What really slowed me down were the two Phillips screws. By using a socket wrench with a Phillips bit, I eventually removed the two screws.
Driver's side rear fender area.
Passenger side rear fender area.
The "grill" under the rear bumper with some damage.
I also wanted to remove the chrome around the front and rear glass. The point of no return. I'm committed now!
Managed to remove the chrome from the front passenger window without removing the glass. But I may have to remove the glass from the back doors before proceeding.
What she looks like Saturday, January 2, 2021:
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Abelclasico Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2017 Posts: 152 Location: Carrboro, NC
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Like you say. There is no point of return now....
By looking at your rear fender wheels, does it look like the are missing the bottom tray by any chance? I would think they might be similar to the ones found on wagons. Those are a water trap and an ideal spot for rust to hide.
Mine were looking like this
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Another Saturday's work: This time removing all the window glass in the doors and then completing the task of chrome removal around the windows.
The Clymer Manual said to remove the door stops to get easier access, but this hardly made any difference at all. Next step was to remove both outer and inner lower chrome strips.
Safest way to remove would be to use plastic pry bars, or a properly shaped piece of wood. I like to live dangerously, so I used a metal pry bar with painter's tape. It worked just fine.
Next, remove the small corner trim both inside and outside.
The front rounded trim.
Now came the "tricky" part, taking out the window. Remove the two 10 mm bolts. Once I figured out that you can rotate the window 90 degrees, it came out real easy!
Assess the state of rust on the window channel.
Record the measurement of the window channel from the edge of the window.
Remove all the rest of the window chrome and label.
And then, just for something different, drill out the front trunk latch.
Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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ClassicCamper Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 679
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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This is looking great, Walt. Really enjoying watching the project One note, Ray posted a great read on refreshing the window regulators. I had difficulty finding new ones, so decided to try his plan.
It was tedious, but I'm glad I did it. I thought the crank was stripped, but the tubing just needed to be tightened up in places. I'll try to dig it up and post it here.
Keep up the great work. _________________ 1973 412 Wagon
1976 Westy
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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ClassicCamper wrote: |
This is looking great, Walt. Really enjoying watching the project One note, Ray posted a great read on refreshing the window regulators. I had difficulty finding new ones, so decided to try his plan.
It was tedious, but I'm glad I did it. I thought the crank was stripped, but the tubing just needed to be tightened up in places. I'll try to dig it up and post it here.
Keep up the great work. |
Here was the discussion:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=731365&highlight=winder
And I had these winders on my desk for a while but I don't think I got around to opening one up or showing the small fixes that I have done in the past.
However I have that part right near the front of my storage unit and can probably do that in the next day or so.
Looking at one of these though...you can see what we were talking about in that thread.
There is a stamped sheet metal housing that the gear and splined winder hub is held into.
The gear just turns a coil spring. First...seriously clean out that spring and rubber tube. The best lube for this once its VERY clean and dry....is either super-lube synthetic oil or Automatic trans fluid.
The problem with wear is that the gap in the sheet metal cover that the winder stub protrudes through...gets worn.....usually for two reasons:
1. When owners leave that black plastic disc/spacer out that sits behind the winder....combined with letting the center screw get loose....the winder handle jerks around as you turn it...sideloads the splined winder stub and slowly grind/bend/wears the opening in the sheet metal.
The looser it is ....the more it wears...the looser it gets.
2. When the spring in the tube...which is a wear gear rack in reality...gets dirty, rusted or gummed up....to where the winder is really hard to turn...all of that leverage to turn the handle...forces the worm gear inside away from the spring/rach. This wears at the back side of the opening in teh sheet metal housing....and it wears the gear down a little....and it causes just like above...side loading and wear to the opening.
So...fixes for this aside from cleaning....can be to take it apart and dish or peen the opening that the winder stub protrudes through...to mike the gear train fit tight. You could also put a thin sheet metal ring around the wider stub to take up space in the hole in the sheet metal housing to make it fit tighter.
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2016 Posts: 143 Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Saturday's goal was to tackle the wiring harness. Started off with great intentions and then hit a few snags.
The start of the day.
I managed to disconnect the four or five wires on the trunk harness from the fuse box. Then everything pulled through the firewall.
However, I could not figure out how to pull the horn wires with the grommets through the hole. (This hole was not the problem, but the inner one was.)
The headlight connectors were also baffling to me. Do they come apart?
Any suggestions would be appreciated. I still need to figure out how to pull all the wires out of the engine compartment. _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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Pepperbilly Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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As I remember the headlight connectors are not as simple. The clear plastic wiring blocks have to be taken off. You can slide a very small screw driver into the block above a small tab and then depress it. The tab is on the wire connector itself. Once depressed with some tugging on the wire it will slip out. I clean up the connector with blaster or wd 40 to see what i’m doing. Take the boot out of it’s seat and pull the wires thru. It’s kind of a fiddley operation.
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NurseryWalt Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Walt's 1973 412 Barn Find |
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Thank you Bill. That is what I need to know. I'll keep trying to remove the connector blocks.
Walter _________________ '66 Bug with collector plate and '73 412 project |
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