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Christopholi Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:06 am Post subject: VW Tiguan CV Boot option ......... 2wd non-lifted |
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If you are running a Syncro or a raised unit, fast forward to page #5 and investigate Sodo's discovery of possible issues with the axle rubbing on the boot pleats.
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Hi all,
I posted awhile back about my brand new Rockford CV Boots failing after a very short time. That thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=740714&highlight=rockford, along with another https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=733214&highlight=rockford, revealed that this seems to be a systemic problem. Rockfords have been touted as the best out there, but they seem to be failing at an alarming rate. Clamped, unclamped, doesn't seem to make a difference.
It was posited in one thread that a potential problem could be that 3rd party manufacturers dont have access to, or are not willing to pay for quality compounds for their boots, The only ones that can and do are the Original Manufacturers, like VW. Problem is, they don't make Vanagon CV Boots anymore.
Samba user vwwestman noted that there is a brand new VW CV Boot available, listed for a Tiguan, that has the same diameter as Vanagon CVs. These are part number 1KO-498-201 and come as a kit. I ordered a set from my local dealership, and they were available within three days. They are not cheap at about $40 CDN each, but if they last like they should, it will be worth it.
I have them installed now, but have not had a chance to take them out for a spin, as I am finishing up my Subaru install, but they will be on the road very soon. My van is an 88 Wolfsberg Tintop 2WD with a moderate lift (about 1.5") Below are some pictures of the install.
Comparing the Tiguan boot (left) to the Rockford. Looks visibly smaller, but with more pleats.
Mounted on the axel and in the van (note that the van is on the lift, so articulation is greater than normal).
From VWPparts
The kit comes with some things we didn't use, like a felt gasket, but we did use the supplied clamps. We also used Black Moly CV grease, supplied by Napa.
They are much harder and more plastic-y than the more rubber feeling Rockfords. They do resemble more modern boots, however. They look and feel exactly like the ones on my Honda Element, and they are 12 years old and doing fine.
Hopefully these pan out as a reasonable choice for us long suffering Vanagon owners. I also hope the vendors pick up on this and offer a better solution.
Cheers! _________________ 1988 Tintop Wolfsburg Special Edition - "Meatloaf"
RMW 2.5 Subaru, SubaruGears 5MT 4.44 w/LSD, Coast Mountain Hightop |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:21 am Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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How many miles/years on these? Looks promising if they stand the test of time. _________________ ☮️ |
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Christopholi Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:22 am Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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MarkWard wrote: |
How many miles/years on these? Looks promising if they stand the test of time. |
As noted, they were just installed, and have 0 miles so far. It's all hope and promise at this point. _________________ 1988 Tintop Wolfsburg Special Edition - "Meatloaf"
RMW 2.5 Subaru, SubaruGears 5MT 4.44 w/LSD, Coast Mountain Hightop |
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1145
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:29 am Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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I have CV maintenance on my winter to do list. Since my boots are fine I had contemplated reusing them due to the failure rate of what’s available. This looks like a good option. Thanks! |
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markd89 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 657 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:50 am Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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Too late now, but it might have been better to use VW's grease. One of other discussions in another thread about CV boot life was potential incompatibilities between the CV "rubber" and the grease.
Thanks for spending the $90 and being the guinea pig. I'm subscribing to see how they turn out. _________________ 78 TDI Sunroof Bus
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6316 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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I`ve seen these popping up on forums.
I`m gonna investigate them thoroughly. I ordered a VW one, a GKN one ( same but with wider base bellows) and a cheap rubber copy of the VW design by Febest.
For people wondering about my CV boot project, I got a good sample out of rubber to check out the mold but the same version is proven very hard to mold out of PU I`m kinda rethinking it all, again... _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50261
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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Thanks for posting, this looks like its likely a very good way to go. I was tired of dealing with poorly made boots thirty years ago and haven't gotten any happier with time. Please give updates as the miles add up. |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17014 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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If I remember, I’ll check the number at IMC and World Pac. See what comes up. _________________ ☮️ |
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dabaron Samba Member
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Christopholi Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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Oddly enough, it's cheaper right from the dealer. _________________ 1988 Tintop Wolfsburg Special Edition - "Meatloaf"
RMW 2.5 Subaru, SubaruGears 5MT 4.44 w/LSD, Coast Mountain Hightop |
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erste Samba Member
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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The ECS boot doesn’t appear to have the cv flange. _________________ ☮️ |
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erste Samba Member
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dabaron Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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$68 per axle is better... someone put some serious miles on these asap and report back _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic
"burnin oil and cookin coils" -- Destructo
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5680 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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dgbeatty Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2006 Posts: 702 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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I am on my second set of boots. 33 years and 370k miles, Carat height. What have I done wrong? SERIOUSLY. _________________ Schau in das Buch |
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squeegee_boy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 758 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
I'm glad there is another guinea pig out there!
I hope my recommendation works out for others. |
I helped Chris install the ones above. I bought a set for the inner fronts on my Syncro (rear has 930s). 2" lift, I'll report back
Robyn _________________ 1984 FrankenSyncro Westy. EJ25 RMW kit
1971 Super Beetle with an EJ22. Oh yes. Daily driver |
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squeegee_boy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 758 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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Oh, and one other thing, due to the smaller diameter of the boot, these are FAR easier to install in the trailing arm. The bolts are clearly visible and accessible with the pleats not being in the way.
It's a small thing, but it's real.
Robyn _________________ 1984 FrankenSyncro Westy. EJ25 RMW kit
1971 Super Beetle with an EJ22. Oh yes. Daily driver |
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squeegee_boy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 758 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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markd89 wrote: |
Too late now, but it might have been better to use VW's grease. One of other discussions in another thread about CV boot life was potential incompatibilities between the CV "rubber" and the grease.
Thanks for spending the $90 and being the guinea pig. I'm subscribing to see how they turn out. |
You know, I'm not too worried about these with generic moly grease. They're not rubber like the Rockfords. I have no idea of the exact chemistry, but they *seem* to be made of the same material as my Syncro front outers, which are 10+ years old now with Redline CV2 in them.
If I'm wrong, I'll cop to it, but these are not at all the same as the Rockfords.
Robyn _________________ 1984 FrankenSyncro Westy. EJ25 RMW kit
1971 Super Beetle with an EJ22. Oh yes. Daily driver |
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Christopholi Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: VW Tiguan CV Boot option |
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dgbeatty wrote: |
I am on my second set of boots. 33 years and 370k miles, Carat height. What have I done wrong? SERIOUSLY. |
I don't know, but don't stop! _________________ 1988 Tintop Wolfsburg Special Edition - "Meatloaf"
RMW 2.5 Subaru, SubaruGears 5MT 4.44 w/LSD, Coast Mountain Hightop |
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