2054 Build for the Fastback

[VWporscheGT3]

As many of you know I recently just got my fastback back on the road. while the 1600 is working great, plenty of power for normal flat roads though not explosive coming out of corners. It is time to plan for what I call the intermediate motor. eventually 3 to 4 years time I will build up a 2276 with all the frills , forged pistons , etc to make a great permanent power plant (permanent is always a joke) But i definately need more . I live at 5K feet altitude , I go up to Lake Tahoe on a regular basis, spend alot of time around 7K, so i need something that is gonna give me a little more... poop .. than a 1600. And while I could probably have some forged 4032 pistons made for this build... I am going to use what i have on hand.

for those of you who dont know , I work for United Engine & Machine. we do Silvo-lite, KB, ICON, and Dualoy. I am one of the guys you call and talk to for tech support, as well I operate the CMM, and other precision measurement devices. So what I plan to do as I have time is also load up some measurements and thinks like profile scans so you guys can see what the barrels can look like on a microscopic level. (improper terminology, dont shoot)

so Here we go, here is what my plans are, and I am open to criticism or analysis of my choices, as well as advice. My budget is miniscule so I will try to stick to a fairly fine budget.

2054cc (74x94)

74mm CB performance counterweighted crank (planned purchase)
CB 8 dowel lightened flywheel (planned purchase)
STD VW rods
AS41 STD STD case, 8mm studs.
AA pistons and barrels (yeah i work for a piston company and im going to use these AA's.... cause I have had them sitting on a shelf for 16 years. )
cylinder heads are factory replacments that have been opened up for big valves, chamber will be worked and the runners with as well. I will post alot of pictures during that part.

i have not selected a cam yet... my planned goals for cam is for good power between 2k to 5k RPM. i just havent chosen anything yet and would welcome advice

plan on using CB lightweight lifters
Single or Dual Hi rev springs (not sure as i dont have a cam selected yet)
stock or 1.25 ratio rockers.

Already have the type intakes and linkage for Webers/dell's. what i havent figured out yet is carburetion , i have 45 DRLA's i plan on using them on the 2276 when built. While I'm sure i could change the vents and jet accordingly...i think it might be a better move to go with some 40 IDF's what do you guys think?

I will likely be sending my Pistons to the Factory and having them coated with Line 2 line skirt coating. if you havent heard of it... its the shiz. its an abradable adaptive skirt technology. sprayed on to 80% of the total skirt clearance it will allow the piston to find its own best fit, and once it does , barring any catastrophe , it will greatly reduce wear and piston rock, as well as opening up millions of little pores that will hold oil and aid in lubrication.

Projected compression ratio is 9.5:1 , i plan to be at about .040 quench , I do not have a horsepower goal and would be happy around 110-120.

all while building up this engine I will be in the middle of building up my Stroker 5.3 LS block for my 87 El Camino. which will be taking up most of my budget, and a Video will be on the UEM website once we get started for that build. The El Camino till very recently was my Daily. and its now time for the love it needs... the poor old 305 needs to be retired... and i need to see if i cant shatter a GM 7.5 rear end with the blip of a throttle.. lol

This engines projected install frame is roughly August or September of next year, until then i have lots of work to do to get it there. again all advice is welcome .

_________________
Schnell, SCHNELL!

I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?

If you have any questions about Forged ICON 4032 VW pistons just shoot me a line.

[Bobnotch]

Any particular reason for going with a 5.3 over a standard cheaper to build 350 that would drop right in and look stock? Parts for that are dirt cheap.

If you're dead set on running an LS, why not a 6.0L?

Why not go with an all aluminum case instead of an AS 41 case? That way you could have the oil fittings welded on for the filter. When I saw 2054, my first thought was a t-4 case. Especially since it would be a middle engine with a future replacement planned.
_________________
Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[VWporscheGT3]

[Danwvw]

If you don't already have the parts I would build a 74X92 Thickwall. It will have better rev's than the 94's, they slow an engine down. It'll Be stronger too. Then you could just run Panchitos 40x35.5's and dual 40's for carbs. The smaller carbs and heads would probably develop more torque and be a little more behaved with the short intakes Type3's have to have. Cam of 250' to 260' @ .050" Special order Webcam grinds.
_________________
1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths!

[W1K1]

what I'm running right now in my 65 square is 74x92 thick wall, Panchito 40x 35.5 , Web 163, and 45 dells with 30/34 berg grooved venturies. (because I had the 45's)

it was a step up from the 1904cc 74 x 90.5, L3 heads 35 X 32mm , web 163, 36 dells , which was a fun idle to 5k, good torque street combo.

_________________
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php

1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

[Danwvw]

"VWporscheGT3" I think the Spring goes on top of the plunger which is on top of the ball, Also the balls can get out of round that can mess things up.
"W1K1" I commented on your post with the Phone Dials.
_________________
1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths!

[VWporscheGT3]

[Danwvw]

The 74mm crank is nice! I did mine with 5.325" Rods which with stock heads ran stock pushrods. Also consider the 92id 94 od Piston and cylinders they would fit what you have. But if just doing a 69 stroke I would go 94's And with those big heads go 94's, Depends on how much top end power your after vs with something like Panchitos the low end torque will be higher and the top end limited with 94's but not so much limit in RPM if going 92's and Panchitos. Which Panchito? I don't know.
_________________
1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths!

[Bobnotch]

[Clatter]

Big Question..
"Do you plan on running stock heater boxes"
?
_________________
Bus Motor Build

What’s That Noise?!?

[VWporscheGT3]

Steve ,
that is a big question. what i was thinking about doing is buying the bigger J tubes , cutting the clamshell of the heater box off another set like another member on here and adding the chore boy also... it gets fricken cold here and the heat has been working great in the fasty so far, not sure i want to completely give that up
_________________
Schnell, SCHNELL!

I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?

If you have any questions about Forged ICON 4032 VW pistons just shoot me a line.

[W1K1]

1904cc is supposed to be the limit for stock heater boxes with L3 heads, if you need to flow more then you'll have to butcher some heat exchangers.

I found that the engine was happier with the J tubes on my 1904cc.
I don't know what air speed is supposed to be like on the stock heat exchangers, since I haven't run them for several years, but the chore boy stuffed heater boxes put out plenty of heat, just not at a high air volume, I considering adding a bilge fan under the seat to give it a kick in the pants, but otherwise I get heat after about 5 minutes drive time
_________________
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php

1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

[Clatter]

Now I’m just talking out my piehole again here,
Because I haven’t verified..

But it -seems- to me that welding some fins onto the J-tubes will make them heat up and transfer that heat to the airstream in the heater box better than anything that’s just sitting there next to the j-tube..

A chore-boy certainly has more surface area, but it’s not being heated much..

At least that’s my theory, and I’m sticking to it!


I saw a 1904 *cough* Brent *cough*. That was choked up badly by a stock diameter exhaust,
Even tho it was stock valve size.
Been written by more than one big builder that 1776 is the limit and 1914 is too much for stock size exhaust.
1914 in my Oval with 40 x35.5 breathes very well thru a 1 5/8”.
Even down low..
So, IMHO, a bigger exhaust is a key part of making a happy motor.
And there’s really no down-side, except heat, of course..
_________________
Bus Motor Build

What’s That Noise?!?

[Clatter]

I’m assuming that your 94 AAs are A pin height, correct?
If not, i’m coming after you with my rubber chicken!
Best double-check.
Maybe you’ll luck out and you accidentally bought Bs.


I’d totally run those big Dells before forking over for another set of smaller carbs.
There’s so much to getting a set of carbs sussed out, that you’re not going to want to fight that battle twice.
There’s a set of smaller vents that someone has to sell you cheap,
And changing vents is a small part of getting a set of carbs to behave.
Very small part..
Like with the exhaust, there’s no down side to having intake things big.


9.5:1 is too much CR for a carbed type 3.
It’ll ping run hard on a hot day. Even with a big cam.
Type 3s are heavy.


I’m old school with combos.
Too many small cams, small carbs, small exhausts today,
But all these big stroker cranks and 94s..
Check out some old HotVWs from 30-40 years ago;
1776s and 1679s running IDAs and an FK-8.
Build it to breathe, and to rev, no matter what size it is.
It’s a toy, right?
Why build a dog on purpose at the same price..?
_________________
Bus Motor Build

What’s That Noise?!?

[W1K1]

[W1K1]

just so you don't have to go looking for this , note that they use an old propane canister for the housing LOL

_________________
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php

1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

[Bobnotch]

I wonder how good that screen door spring works for heat transfer?
_________________
Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[VWporscheGT3]

Steve , thank you sir for your input on compression ratio, probably the only way to get around that would be fuel injection i suppose, and that crap aint happening in atleast the next 5 years , unlikely in the next 10 lol.

the 1600 i run now at 8.7:1 with an engle 110 runs pretty dang cool , barely breaking the 200 degree mark at 70 miles an hour ive seen peaks around 210, run hard, climbing up a steep pass. the 94mm pistons are A pin height, not b's , the B's in 4032 i have would even be something a bit strange at a compression height of 33mm.... but thats for a different build .

in terms of cams , im looking at the CB2242

Adv. Duration 298°
Dur. @ .050" 248°
Lift @ cam .389"
Lift w/1.1:1 Rocker Arms .428"

28mm Lightweight lifters and adjustble cam gear to degree it in.

thoughts concerns human sacrifices? and if i use my 69mm counterweighted crank and stay 1914.....


if I stay 1914, i save about 400 bucks... the build longblock only with roughly be about 500 bucks... then there in new AN fittings, and hose...... and carburetor parts to get the 45's dialed in .... oh boy

considering the cam kit i'll have to buy for the LS is about 600 bucks .... feel like id be coming out ahead
_________________
Schnell, SCHNELL!

I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?

If you have any questions about Forged ICON 4032 VW pistons just shoot me a line.

[Cptn. Calzone]

I have always contended that a real market exists for a performance HE that actually heats.
_________________
71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse

[Cptn. Calzone]

I was seriously looking into casting fins on the inner j pipe..lotsa work.Would entail splitting the shell off a HE and then attaching the heat sink..and different sizes too!! Couldnt see the hobbiest paying 700$ for a set
_________________
71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse