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pkbghia 
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 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:25 pm Post subject: 1970 wiring question |
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My body off 70 ghia restoration is going nicely. I was following the instructions carefully regarding the wiring. In the photo they mention multiple wires going to the post marked X on the diagram of the fuse box (see photo). There is only one post? Are these wires to be spliced together or is this photo incorrect or do I have the wrong fuse box?
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sjbartnik
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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I would use the VW diagram rather than whatever that is but...
VW would often crimp more than one wire into a single terminal when connecting to the fuse box, so that even if the fuse box only had one terminal available, more than one wire could be connected to it.
You can also work around this sometimes with piggyback connectors which are commonly available at your local FLAPS.
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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thanks
diagram came with wireloom from CIP1
overall very good and everything matched up, just wanted to check with the experts! thanks again
my project is coming along
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Marcdeb
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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thanks much, work in progress but having lots of fun. Fair amount of body work done on that quarter panel, will add holes an molding as final touches!  |
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crocteau
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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| In the photo they mention multiple wires going to the post marked X on the diagram of the fuse box (see photo). |
There's nothing wrong with that wiring system. FWIW it's the closest to original I found. I used the same kit in my '71 Ghia and was satisfied, but I did modify it for the alternator I installed in place of the original voltage regulator/generator setup. Some of the wires were a bit too long, but it's easy enough to take out the slack. I believe you'll find these molex three-way connectors come in handy; my fuse box had a couple that looked original:
If you can't find them locally check Jbugs. |
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runamoc
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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| X on the diagram of the fuse box (see photo). There is only one post? |
If you look at the wiring diagram, those last two fuses have the same feed. Both fuses are for wire #15. (Key Switch On). You can spread the individual wires to the top and bottom of those two fuses. Remember not all circuits have fuses protecting the wires that go to them.
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:13 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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pkb, I have that same wiring harness and also used the VW schematic for reference. I also have a double connector there. The black wire from the brake harness plugs into the bottom link on fuse panel, and the red and black connected wire (they are connected together at the connector) connect to the upper post on that same fuse port.Black wire from that goes to the gas gauge.
You are on track.
Here's one source to buy any terminals, single or multiple https://www.ferrulesdirect.com/pages/search-results-page?q=brass+open+barrel+terminal&page=3
Jeff
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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I really appreciate everyone's quick response. I am 4 years into my body off 70 ghia and learning lots. Like many of you I had my first dub in 1984, bought a 73 super beetle, bought muir's book and I have been hooked ever since. I also enjoy some of the ribbing that goes on amongst members!
Several months ago I questioned what should be done before dropping the body back on. I got a few suggestions but.......I now need to modify the part in the pic!!! LOL 
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:11 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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Welcome to the club pkb, I just located this same part and can't get it into place. I tried yesterday to mount this heater hose connector and it was a no go thanks to the torsion arms, so yeah, this should have been mounted before putting the body on. Now I need to figure out which bolts to disconnect, raise the rear of the body up, connect these to the body from under the car, lower the body, hopefully not crushing these tubes, and hope they line up with the heater tubes inside the body. Frustrating when you have to go backwards 5 steps before moving forward....Good luck, will be watching to see what you do and will be trying the same thing. Will keep you posted if I figure it out.
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:29 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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| I am using a little cutoff wheel and grinder to make mine fit! Plan to upload lots of pics of my project soon. Have a week off next week and plan to get many things done. |
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:13 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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OK, cool, look forward to your technique!
Jeff
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Canghia
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:38 am Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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| I ended up having to do a bit of both. I separated the pan from the body by removing a few bolts and raised it an inch or so and I ended up sanding the lip a little on a belt sander till I was able to fit it. |
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm Post subject: 1970 wiring question |
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the heater tube with body on was a pain but got it done, had to modify a few things.
Question for the group
working on dash now, should windshield go in before dash pad?
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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Thanks pkb, so basically I need to shave off the high tabs on the top and bottom and just leave the areas where it bolts to the body. Appreciate the photos, very helpful!
Jeff
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crocteau
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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| pkbghia wrote: |
| working on dash now, should windshield go in before dash pad? |
I found that the dash vent covers on my '71 overlap the edge of the new dash pad, and it was easier for me to install the screws for the vent covers using a standard #2 Phillips screwdriver with the windshield out of the way. I think it depends on an individual's dexterity, a stubby Phillips, or a 90° angle screwdriver. Regardless, I think you'll enjoy being able to stand in your passenger compartment when it comes time to install your windshield.  Question for you: if you're installing a new dash pad have you transferred your VIN plate from the old pad? |
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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I am actually salvaging my original dash. I do not have a VIN plate on it. The top is in great shape, just need a little cleaning. The undersurface had some cracks around the metal strips that hold the mounting clips, repaired with Flexall, that stuff from the annoying commercial! Worked great
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pkbghia
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 wiring question |
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Hello!
I saw this post from a couple years ago:
"The wires from the turnsignal switch provides the power for the turnsignal bulbs. When ignition is in the on position the blk/grn/wht wire to the turnsignal should be constant hot from the emergency flasher relay(position 49A) and looking for ground/turnsignal light bulb. When the turnsignal switch is moved to the left or the right position the blk/grn/wht wire from the turnsignal switch is then connected to blk/wht(left turnsignals) wire or blk/grn(right turnsignals) wire completing the circuit and causing the emergency relay to flash on and off for which ever side you selected. However when you pull the emergency flasher switch, the other matching set of wires (blk/grn & blk/wht) off the T4 connector will simultaneously be connected to the emergency flasher relay (position 49A) again completing the circuit except this time both the left and right side bulbs should be flashing. Hope that made sense."
My issue is that the emergency flashers work. The turn signals do not. With the ignition on and when I test the blk/grn/wht wire the test bulb flashes and I hear the relay working. Its as if I am providing a ground with the test light. Confused?
I plan to take turn signal lever assembly off column and take a look. Any thoughts?
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