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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:02 am Post subject: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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Anyone gotten their Bay registered as an Antique Vehicle in Oregon? Any advantage to doing this? What are the pitfalls? |
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mike77777 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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Wa. state here, have not had to pay yearly fee. Legal to park on public street. Hope this helps. _________________ patience and putty |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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you can't register a bay or Vanagon as an ANTIQUE vehicle in Oregon unless it is 1/2 the # years between 1900 and 2020. That means it has to be 60 years old, which is 1960. You can register it as a SPECIAL INTEREST vehicle if it is more that 25 years old under the following rules. https://www.oregon.gov/odot/Forms/DMV/6577.pdf
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ANTIQUE / SPECIAL INTEREST VEHICLE CERTIFICATION ... If certifying this vehicle to be an antique vehicle or special interest vehicle that is not a racing activity vehicle, I certify this vehicle is to be maintained as a collector’s item and used only for exhibitions, parades,club activities and similar functions. I understand it is a crime to operate this vehicle outside of the limitations of the registration provisions as specified in ORS 805.030. Such a crime is a Class D traffic violation and may result in this registration being canceled |
Or maybe you knew that already because it only took 5 seconds to find it in Google and the real question is will you get caught. Ask the local cops if they enforce it. Most likely when the civil war escalates to your neighborhood, or your part of Oregon secedes to join Idaho you will be under a different set of rules. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin
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subliminaldood Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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In both Oregon and Washington Antique and Year of Manufacture are two different things with two different sets of rules.
Antique plates can't be used if you regularly drive the vehicle. The rules specify they are strictly for taking your vehicle to shows, parades, or events. Not to be daily driven. YOM plates I believe you can operate as normal. Just no yearly fee.
Of course if they can't even be bothered to enforce red light infractions they probably wont care about your plates until you are in an accident and the insurance company asks what you were doing at the time of the incident and whether that was in the scope of your registration. _________________ 1969 Panel
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71whitewesty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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I've been running the special interest/collector plates on both my buses for over 10 years. Never had an issue from the law anywhere I've been. I love that it's a one time fee and you're done, to me that's the only real advantage. _________________ 71 Westy 1600 DP, all stock Bus 1
1970's Snow Trac 1600 SP (sold 12/2016)
1968 Tucker sno cat, sold 2021
1969 Tucker Sno cat 542
2017 VW Alltrac
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Twin 71 White Westy, Bus 2, that I pulled from a 15 year slumber in a dry eastern WA field in 2015.
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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71whitewesty wrote: |
I've been running the special interest/collector plates on both my buses for over 10 years. Never had an issue from the law anywhere I've been. I love that it's a one time fee and you're done, to me that's the only real advantage. |
Doesn't bother you that you are committing a crime against your fellow citizens, or is it kind of a fuck them they deserve it moment? _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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SGKent wrote: |
71whitewesty wrote: |
I've been running the special interest/collector plates on both my buses for over 10 years. Never had an issue from the law anywhere I've been. I love that it's a one time fee and you're done, to me that's the only real advantage. |
Doesn't bother you that you are committing a crime against your fellow citizens, or is it kind of a fuck them they deserve it moment? |
That's sort of a nutty statement. There's really no "crime" being committed. You cited the statute- it's pretty vague, and it's vague for a reason.
If the same cop sees you driving the same car at the same time to work every day with "special interest" plates, you'll get popped. An occasional drive, camping trip, etc. is considered as a "similar activity". In other words, the spirit of the statute is that your special interest car cannot be a daily driver work car.
Collector insurance policies have the same provision- in fact, to get such a policy, you MUST also have a car that is licensed and insured for regular use. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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71whitewesty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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Doesn't bother me at all. They are collectors vehicles and what the plates are intended for. I have other vehicles that are used as daily drivers. I have two buses so I split the driving between the two during bus driving season. As far as I'm concerned any time I'm driving them it's a maintenance drive or to a vw event somewhere along the way. Why would I pay the normal amount for a collector vehicle?
Definitely not a FU to anyone. _________________ 71 Westy 1600 DP, all stock Bus 1
1970's Snow Trac 1600 SP (sold 12/2016)
1968 Tucker sno cat, sold 2021
1969 Tucker Sno cat 542
2017 VW Alltrac
71 tin top stock 1600 DP (project but runs)
Twin 71 White Westy, Bus 2, that I pulled from a 15 year slumber in a dry eastern WA field in 2015.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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Tram wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
71whitewesty wrote: |
I've been running the special interest/collector plates on both my buses for over 10 years. Never had an issue from the law anywhere I've been. I love that it's a one time fee and you're done, to me that's the only real advantage. |
Doesn't bother you that you are committing a crime against your fellow citizens, or is it kind of a fuck them they deserve it moment? |
That's sort of a nutty statement. There's really no "crime" being committed. You cited the statute- it's pretty vague, and it's vague for a reason.
If the same cop sees you driving the same car at the same time to work every day with "special interest" plates, you'll get popped. An occasional drive, camping trip, etc. is considered as a "similar activity". In other words, the spirit of the statute is that your special interest car cannot be a daily driver work car.
Collector insurance policies have the same provision- in fact, to get such a policy, you MUST also have a car that is licensed and insured for regular use. |
Funny Tram, they must speak a different English there. The statute was pretty clear to me when I read it. "Similar functions" would be a Bay group camping trip, Bays by the Bridge, or group cruise etc.. Take it to go to the Sonic Drive In for a nostalgic burger. It could not legally go on a daily driver vacation, or weekend family camping trip. I've already had that discussion with the Industry who writes these laws and the answer is not even a small chance on that one. Want to go down the old 395 to Route 66 and across to the Grand Canyon for a nostalgic drive? Have it home, in a garage, or in a trailer by bed time. California has a program too but it requires collector insurance on the car, and that requires it also being garaged, which many people here lack a garage for their bay. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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Having a house in OR and Washington. I have some experience. My wife is a resident of WA. I’m in OR.
I run motor home plates on the 72 and 76 campers registered in Oregon. It’s cheaper and legit from the state and from my insurance point of view.
The 85 Vanagon I bought can’t pass DEQ in Oregon so we registered it in WA for now. WA does not have emissions testing as of this year. I paid a lot of sales tax and fees to register it WA but about what it would cost to pass Oregon emissions. Time was of the essence to register new van. But no more testing. However I need to sort out the emissions issue this coming year. When I do. I will bring it back to Oregon tax free (No sales tax in OR) and we only renew tags every other year unlike WA which is yearly. It’s cheaper in Oregon to license a car.
As far as antique plates or special interest plates. My wife is not comfortable doing that in WA as she’s in the automobile insurance business. We drive them to much. To wildthings question. I don’t think we can have antique plates on our Bay/Van cars. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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71whitewesty wrote: |
Doesn't bother me at all. They are collectors vehicles and what the plates are intended for. I have other vehicles that are used as daily drivers. I have two buses so I split the driving between the two during bus driving season. As far as I'm concerned any time I'm driving them it's a maintenance drive or to a vw event somewhere along the way. Why would I pay the normal amount for a collector vehicle?
Definitely not a FU to anyone. |
Actually it is because someone is paying $450 a year for a license fee who is using their car for the exact same daily driver trips to the store, and pleasure trips on a scenic drive as you are. Nothing will happen to you until someone in Government there gets a bug that they know they can make more money by collecting fines against people who are cheating on the program. Then the Oregon State Police will start pulling over every historical vehicle they see who is on a daily drive. Then you can argue your point with the officer who pulls you over. Nothing is free. The more people who use the historical plates for daily drivers the sooner it will happen. Frankly I don't care what you do. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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71whitewesty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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SGKent wrote: |
71whitewesty wrote: |
Doesn't bother me at all. They are collectors vehicles and what the plates are intended for. I have other vehicles that are used as daily drivers. I have two buses so I split the driving between the two during bus driving season. As far as I'm concerned any time I'm driving them it's a maintenance drive or to a vw event somewhere along the way. Why would I pay the normal amount for a collector vehicle?
Definitely not a FU to anyone. |
Actually it is because someone is paying $450 a year for a license fee who is using their car for the exact same daily driver trips to the store, and pleasure trips on a scenic drive as you are. Nothing will happen to you until someone in Government there gets a bug that they know they can make more money by collecting fines against people who are cheating on the program. Then the Oregon State Police will start pulling over every historical vehicle they see who is on a daily drive. Then you can argue your point with the officer who pulls you over. Nothing is free. The more people who use the historical plates for daily drivers the sooner it will happen. Frankly I don't care what you do. |
Just a minute SGkent...you are telling me what I use it for? Daily driver trips to the store? I think you are painting your own picture of what you "think" is happening. They are tucked away in the garage as a good collector car should be. I did take one out on Saturday for a 3 bus meet up and and it's tucked away in the garage again. Should I pull the plates and put on normal one when we take our annual trip and them switch back? Not if I meet up with some VW folks along the way according to how I interpret the rules. _________________ 71 Westy 1600 DP, all stock Bus 1
1970's Snow Trac 1600 SP (sold 12/2016)
1968 Tucker sno cat, sold 2021
1969 Tucker Sno cat 542
2017 VW Alltrac
71 tin top stock 1600 DP (project but runs)
Twin 71 White Westy, Bus 2, that I pulled from a 15 year slumber in a dry eastern WA field in 2015.
1966 Sundial Camper "Boomer" |
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johnnyvw164 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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$450 a year for a license fee? Where does this happen? (so I make sure I never move there...) |
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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71whitewesty wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
71whitewesty wrote: |
Doesn't bother me at all. They are collectors vehicles and what the plates are intended for. I have other vehicles that are used as daily drivers. I have two buses so I split the driving between the two during bus driving season. As far as I'm concerned any time I'm driving them it's a maintenance drive or to a vw event somewhere along the way. Why would I pay the normal amount for a collector vehicle?
Definitely not a FU to anyone. |
Actually it is because someone is paying $450 a year for a license fee who is using their car for the exact same daily driver trips to the store, and pleasure trips on a scenic drive as you are. Nothing will happen to you until someone in Government there gets a bug that they know they can make more money by collecting fines against people who are cheating on the program. Then the Oregon State Police will start pulling over every historical vehicle they see who is on a daily drive. Then you can argue your point with the officer who pulls you over. Nothing is free. The more people who use the historical plates for daily drivers the sooner it will happen. Frankly I don't care what you do. |
Just a minute SGkent...you are telling me what I use it for? Daily driver trips to the store? I think you are painting your own picture of what you "think" is happening. They are tucked away in the garage as a good collector car should be. I did take one out on Saturday for a 3 bus meet up and and it's tucked away in the garage again. Should I pull the plates and put on normal one when we take our annual trip and them switch back? Not if I meet up with some VW folks along the way according to how I interpret the rules. |
no - I am not telling you anything. The state you choose to live in is. If you have a beef with what you can and cannot do with that license take it up with your state representative or Senator. They are the ones who wrote the law. The fact you choose to write your own rules around it is your problem in life to deal with not mine. I don't run collector plates for that reason. The argument "I do as I please so it doesn't apply to me" is usually the quickest way to get caught. It is like Karma looking over your shoulder.
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A person commits the offense of violation of registration limits on antique vehicle or vehicle of special interest if a vehicle is permanently registered under ORS 805.010 (Antique vehicles) or 805.020 (Special interest vehicles) and the person uses the vehicle:
(a) Other than for exhibitions, parades, club activities and similar uses; or
(b) Primarily for the transportation of persons or property.
(2) The offense described in this section, violation of registration limits on antique vehicle or vehicle of special interest, is a Class D traffic violation. [1983 c.338 §240] |
Last time I checked, an annual vacation even if you bump into other buses is "primarily for the transportation of persons or property." family and camping gear are persons and property. It is an individual event, not a sanctioned club event. It is for that reason I choose not to have Karma tap me on the shoulder while I am on vacation. One fellow spent the night at a friend's house in another state and had a ticket in the morning from the other state, that led to him having to answer to his own state of Oregon. Some people don't mind that being a part of their lives. I want to be left alone on these type things and not get hassled by some state trooper with an attitude. Been there before. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin
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rugblaster Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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I think Oregon, or any other state for that matter, should pay a fee for is what essentially a rolling museum. Texas has simular laws (simularly stupid) but as far as I can tell they are not enforced. My bus has original to the year Texas plates on it and I pay about $60 for 5 years. No inspection. This bus is driven less than 700 miles a year. Along with the bus there are 5 or 6 other cars in the fleet, along with a few pickups and a half dozen trailers.......and a boat. So, how many vehicles need to be registered before I get a freebee??? I have yet to be able to drive any two of these at one time. As a proportion of the total miles driven, I am getting supremely hosed at $60 for five years. I don't feel I'm "getting away" with anything, quite the contrary. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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The argument that the fees on a car only driven 700 miles a year are excessive is one that I couldn't agree with more. My '71 bus cost me $14 a year when I sold it in 1984. My 1977 bus cost me $29 a year in 2010 when I bought it, and the 2004 Sable, a family transfer, cost me the same $29 a year in 2005 here in California. They are now $130 a year and going up. The high prices cause people to find ways around that cost. I get it. But if one reads the tea leaves, there are so many people in Oregon abusing the system that in 2017 the Oregon Legislature tried to raise the fee on older special interest cars to $1000 per 5 years on "special interest" vehicles but didn't have enough votes. California was just talking a year ago about an additional $250 on 25 year old cars every two years but they would get a pass on smog tests for that $250. The function of a government run by progressives is to raise taxes and then use that tax money to share with those who are poorer than you are, while skimming off a management fee. With socialists in office now you think people who can "afford" VW buses won't get eyed as taxable? The general perception of the public is if you can afford a VW bus then you must be rich. If they only knew. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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man, kent, i know you’re an og and all, but dang you’re really coming out if the gate blazing on this one. “I don’t care what you do.” sure doesn’t seem like it. maybe a break from the keyboard, McCarthy. _________________ '74 transporter panel
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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As far as I can tell, if you have antique plates you can drive as much as you want for whatever purpose you want, the problem is getting the plates for as SG Kent mentions Oregon has an inane rule to determine what an antique car is so virtually no cars qualify. They also have special interest plates which only require that the car be 25 years old but do officially limit your use. Have to get together with 71whitewesty and see what kinds of plates he actually has.
I figure there must be a way around this as people at the DMV have certainly titled vehicles for me before that should not have been titled according to Oregon law and hundreds of cars are crushed quasi-legally every week because Oregon's laws are so inflexible. Oregon's stupid laws on crushing cars have actually caused a huge black market in stealing cars and crushing them as looking the other way is the state's norm when it comes to crushing cars. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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This thread is totally nuts! 🐿 🥜
I could have done “collector“ plates here on Colorado. I chose not too because with that comes driving limitations and “collector” insurance, which also has many limitations. I actually had to tell my insurance agent that I want regular car full coverage insurance, so I could drive it whenever I please. He was happy to help me out and still insured it for the collector car value. I have no issues paying the $69 a year to register it! _________________ __________
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Antique Vehicle Registration, Oregon |
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richparker wrote: |
I have no issues paying the $69 a year to register it! |
Multiply that by six and it begins to hurt and I can still drive only one at a time. |
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