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DuncanS
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 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:15 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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| DanHoug wrote: |
| no kidding! i've thrown out all our pressed steel ones, buckled and twisted. bought a pair just like yours and and had one crack. made in USA no less! |
What, where and emmachizit? Lift height? Maybe with some 16" diameter tree trunk sections and a chain saw?
I like the idea of a two piece one, so the ramp could be removed giving better access, but to be safe the remaining piece where the tire sits would need a large base and a concave spot for the tire.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:54 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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these are what i bought back when i had money. stupid expensive for ramps and i love them. so light to get off the shelf and very stable. they also make a two piece version for even MORE money!
https://www.raceramps.com/garage-service/ramps/race/p/rr-56/
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:13 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
I like the idea of a two piece one, so the ramp could be removed giving better access, but to be safe the remaining piece where the tire sits would need a large base and a concave spot for the tire.
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When I clean out some storage space, these are what I'll be getting:
https://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-detachable-car-ramp-set.html
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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That's the idea, but I want 11 inches so I can bleed the coolant system. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes with a Paul Bunyan chainsaw.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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That's the idea, but I want 11 inches so I can bleed the coolant system. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes with a Paul Bunyan chainsaw.
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All you need is an extra radiator hose from the front. The straight one. It fits perfectly in the pressure tank in the engine compartment and gets the level well above the radiator bleed screw. No need to jack anything.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
That's the idea, but I want 11 inches so I can bleed the coolant system. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes with a Paul Bunyan chainsaw.
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All you need is an extra radiator hose from the front. The straight one. It fits perfectly in the pressure tank in the engine compartment and gets the level well above the radiator bleed screw. No need to jack anything. |
You don't need elevation, you don't need Libby Bongs, you don't need pressure.
My bleeding method is to
fill the system with engine off.....
Start and fill system at idle......
run at high rpms and fill until it takes no more and cap it.
Let it return to idle......
Bleed the radiator.....
Let it idle until cooling fan runs.....
Shut it down,
Fill tank behind plate.......
let it cool off.......
Once cool fill the tank in the engine area.....
Make sure the license plate tank is at MIN or above.......
Start it up and go.
Next time it cools off...... top off engine area tank.
Make sure license plate tank is at MIN.....
Repeat until no more topping off is required.
No stress, no special tricks, it just works, I just did it a few days ago.
This is a task that has been over thought and over complicated by owners.
I've done everything but the Libby Bong. They all work, I guess if you're pressed for time my method isn't ideal?
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DuncanS
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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| dobryan wrote: |
All you need is an extra radiator hose from the front. The straight one. It fits perfectly in the pressure tank in the engine compartment and gets the level well above the radiator bleed screw. No need to jack anything. |
Isn't this essentially a bong without the ability to drain the extra?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:11 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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My drill is to:
Then open the radiator vent and put a paper towel there as an indicator that I am getting coolant. Make sure the towel is really wet as it could just be spurting drops along with the air. Run the engine at an elevated RPM and top off the tank until it won't take any more. Close the radiator vent and drive off without the overflow cap on. After 4 miles, stop and check. Might need to bleed extra coolant out of the reservoir as once it gets hot and expands, there will be too much. If the overflow reservoir gets too full, I splash some out with a stick until it gets to the right level. Replace the cap and Bob's your uncle.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:05 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes with a Paul Bunyan chainsaw.
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Leveled for camping but the patio is not.
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| dobryan wrote: |
| All you need is an extra radiator hose from the front. The straight one. It fits perfectly in the pressure tank in the engine compartment and gets the level well above the radiator bleed screw. No need to jack anything. |
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I guess if you're pressed for time my method isn't ideal?
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I do what you do, except less # of steps with a short section of radiator hose.
It seems like lesser effort, cuz you're not waiting.
Not wondering if the radiator is bled, it just 'happens' while you're topping off the rubber hose.
All you have to do is walk around to the front of the van a couple times.
--Set the rubber hose into or onto the reservoir
fill the system with engine off.....
--keep topping until coolant come out of radiator screw
--tighten radiator screw
Start and fill system at idle......
run at high rpms and fill until it takes no more and cap it.
Let it return to idle......
Bleed the radiator.....
Let it idle until cooling fan runs.....
Shut it down,
Fill tank behind plate.......
Your list looks kinda long because this stuff is required with all methods
let it cool off.......
Once cool fill the tank in the engine area.....
Make sure the license plate tank is at MIN or above.......
Start it up and go.
Next time it cools off...... top off engine area tank.
Make sure license plate tank is at MIN.....
Repeat until no more topping off is required.
Maybe we should call it the Libby O'Bryan. 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:31 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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Leveled for camping but the patio is not.
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That is scary. I wouldn't sleep it it and certainly not crawl under. If getting in and out were to knock it off, a fall on the stumps could cause some serious issues. I'd dig the stumps in so at least there were angled better to the plank--Not a whole lot, as the force is vertical with some pushing back and if too much less of the stump footprint is not under the plank contact, then it would be worse. That's a steep spot. If the car were at 90º with the slider to the uphill side, the lift wouldn't need to be so pronounced.
And if you turned it 180º then you could bleed the coolant system.
Anyhoo a good improv to level.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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If you push hard and rock the van side-to-side you can get a pretty good idea of the stability.
Of course its preferable not to test stability while someone's under it.
But I'm having a hard time imagining the danger of sleeping in it.
Unless it might roll down the hill crossing a busy highway...
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:03 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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You're right. Push and shove first. If stable then no prob sleeping. I was imagining it might be delicate and the fumbling around with clothes might cause a problem. But if it's that critical, then....................shuddna done it in the first place. As long as the ground is firm.....
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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Dumb Stupid David trick of the day?
Left my headlights on!
I came out to leave, no click, no lights no nothing!
Fortunately I carry jumper cables so I got a co-worker to give me a jump.
Now, I'm not one who enjoys being beholden to others or unprepared for a situation.
I had a battery pack I carried for awhile but it stopped charging last Spring,
I meant to look at it and see why, but never got around to it.
On the way home I had to stop at the Big Orange ,Box store for some supplies and went looking at battery chargers thinking that I can salvage my aging booster pack with an external charger.
I saw on the shelf a tiny Dewalt jump pack DXAELJ16 .....
https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-1600-Peak-Amp-L.../320711460
On a lark I threw it in the cart.
I passed on the combination jump pack, air pumps, voltage inverters, everything in one pack for the basic ability to get started the next time I'm stupid.
Before opening the box I did some online research and the unit is well thought of.
What's a few more pounds to carry? It is certainly lighter than my old jumper pack anyway. I hated carrying that because of it's size and weight.
One more step to being independent!
Driving an Automatic....... I might just stash my spare starter in the Van too!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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Probably need to DIY/upgrade those wires to 1/0 ga.
There's no way those little wires can crank a starter motor.
Or that tiny connection where the clamps touch the battery terminals.
No way.
They claim 35 starts.
OK well "no way" to 36 then.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:31 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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Reviews seem to all say they have no problems with the wire size and the cars start up just fine. But they do seem wimpy and the clamps are something a few whined about. Too small and not enough lever to easily overcome strong springs. It takes up very little space and has inadvertent shorting protection which one I had did not and that was the end of it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:45 am Post subject: Re: HERE WE GO!! .... 1990 Tintop! |
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Probably need to DIY/upgrade those wires to 1/0 ga.
There's no way those little wires can crank a starter motor.
Or that tiny connection where the clamps touch the battery terminals.
No way.
They claim 35 starts.
OK well "no way" to 36 then. |
I have had a similar one of these micro jump packs for years that gets a fair bit of use. I can attest that they can certainly jump start vehicles with no issue (I've done as big as a 5 liter V8 with it). The wire gauge is really a non issue for how short the cable length is, and how short term the large current load is. You do have to be sure that the connector is 100% snug into the battery pack unit, or it will get hot and possibly melt (happened to me). But assuming all connections are good and tight, it has no problems cranking over engines.
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