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charleslabri
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 Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:23 pm Post subject: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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Ive been batting this around a bunch whether to run an inductive stovetop or a jetboil stovetop.
If i ran inductive, id just feed it off solar/aux power (ive got a bunch of LiON) or if i ran jetboil, id build out a little fixed jetboil setup with replaceable canisters.
Im on the fence, and not sure what I want to do.
If it gets down to 'whatever you want' ill figure it out later, but wanted to post here as to folks experiences.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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What about something like this?
Wallas 88 Diesel Stove Flush Mount
Assuming you're talking about one with the TDI.
I'm tired of the 1lb. propane bottles, and you can buy them everywhere. Jetboil seems like even more of a hassle. What's your rationale for them? I'm not that familiar and haven't cooked with them before. |
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charleslabri
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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never thought of a diesel stove.
batteries just cause i have 240ah of spare battery.
I probably should slap a spare tank in this think for cooking and heating 
i was looking at a small 5 gal round aux tank that i could put in the syncro location for things like this, but i dont know anyone that has done this.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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Tell us the wattage of the 12V induction cooktop and we can figure the number of minutes you can run it.
Factor at least 10% additional losses if planning on using 120V cooktop & associated inverter... 
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| ...I probably should slap a spare tank in this think for cooking and heating |
Yes... 
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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E.G. https://www.etrailer.com/RV-Stoves-and-Ovens/Greys...n8QAvD_BwE
Max power = 1800 watts @ 120V. Add in a 10% loss for inverter = 1980 watts/12v=165 amps. With 240ah, you could theoretically use both burners on high for 87 minutes.
With the previously linked diesel cooktop costing ~$1,000 MORE and already having the electron storage in place, IMO the inductive cooktop is worth considering. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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| Since you only should pull your batteried down no more than 50% you need to figure that in too. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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Now we're cooking with gas, figuratively wise. Li-on batteries and solar efficiencies are changing the world daily, why not our micro ecosystem of how things are done on our little rigs? Keep this discussion going folks, lots to benefit.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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| Love My Westy wrote: |
| Since you only should pull your batteried down no more than 50% you need to figure that in too. |
If you surf your DOD (depth of discharge) between 90-10%, your BMS will have to work just lightly and allows the cells to last a long time. We offer a 5 year warrantee at work on our bikes for this very reason.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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| charleslabri wrote: |
Ive been batting this around a bunch whether to run an inductive stovetop or a jetboil stovetop.
If i ran inductive, id just feed it off solar/aux power (ive got a bunch of LiON) or if i ran jetboil, id build out a little fixed jetboil setup with replaceable canisters.
Im on the fence, and not sure what I want to do.
If it gets down to 'whatever you want' ill figure it out later, but wanted to post here as to folks experiences. |
It seems you're proposing two different ends of the spectrum: Sprinter/Revel power hungry lux v. Backpacker's water boiler adapted to indoor living. Do you want to sauté mushrooms and carefully create a sauce or do you want to boil water before dumping it into a foil bag of freeze dried calories?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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I use induction a lot for work, and have some at home. I have hobs, woks and a really cool induction griddle but all wired for 208 or 240 depending on location. (See Garland Induction)
Personally, I find than any of the 120v stuff is unbearably slow and tedious. Aside from a few warmers I use at home during holiday periods, I avoid it as I tend to get frustrated and throw them out the window, cursing and generally scaring children as I question why I bought that.
I cannot imagine the lack of umph a unit would have on battery power?!? You would need all that above calculated 87 minutes to do just the simplest tasks.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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That is 1800 watts more or less, that would be a pretty big load for a couple of storage batteries, but fine if you have shore power.
Not sure how he intends to mount a Jetboil, but they take an amazingly small amount of fuel as they heat so fast. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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jetboil thing would be entirely custom.
probably something like a fixed dual burner with a couple feet of braided line down under the sink to the jetboil canister.
I was checking out a video of a dude that was running that diesel stove, took 16 minutes to boil water.
I could probably build the jetboil thing for $250. Ive even see some cool refillable jetboil canisters.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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| charleslabri wrote: |
| i lived out of a hotel room in macau for six months with just a jet boil. I made some pretty badass sautees. |
 Okay. You're ready to graduate anywhere you want to go. A $120K Revel only has one induction burner, I'm guessing that two induction burners would be an even greater battery load that that fancy rig (let alone a Vanagon) couldn't support. Do you want to stick to one burner meals or do you want pasta or rice and maybe tea with your sautees which will require two burners?
Multiple induction burners seem like a heavy load on batteries and solar where a couple of camp stoves will be pretty simple. Plus, the jet boils can easily be transferred outside.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:52 am Post subject: Re: soft thread: inductive vs gas stovetop |
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jetboil
advantages:
use relatively cheap gas cartridges,
takes small space
disadvantages:
relatively small pot,
can cause condensation and CO buildup in closed van.
induction
advantages:
no need to hunt cartridges
can use bigger pots
disadvantages:
needs a lot of power (200+Ah batteries, 2kW+ inverter - expensive system)
sytem takes a lot of space
diesel
advantages:
no need to hunt cartridges
can use bigger pots
disadvantages:
needs separate diesel tank if your van is petrol
slow heat up and cool down
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