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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
?Waldo? wrote: |
jimf909 wrote: |
BTW, here are some sketches offered by someone in response to the same question on fb. It looks pretty good.
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In order for the pop top to be unmodified, the sides under the pop top would need to be straight. The straight sides would not look good to me. |
Agree.
The drawings don't address the the slope of the van body and the needed tapering of the top to match as the whole package gets taller. Looking at the combo from the front or back would show the problem. To reuse the original Westy top would require cutting a section from the top down the middle to match the taper. Then the skylight wouldn't fit, unless you made two cuts down the middle and removed two sections, one on either side of the skylight. Massive amounts of work to make it look right. |
Agreed 100%. The straight sides terminate the nice flow of the original angles and could look like a postal van which is even less attractive than an NAHT IMHO.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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djkeev wrote: |
Trouble is........ this is ugly.
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I guarantee that my NAHT is uglier than a Westy or a tin top. However, given the choice of an NAHT, Westy or tin-top I'd choose the NAHT every time. Sometimes the best looking model isn't the one I'd prefer to live with. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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Has anyone put one of these on a T3? Seems clean and tons of room aloft.
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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jimf909 wrote: |
I guarantee that my NAHT is uglier than a Westy or a tin top. However, given the choice of an NAHT, Westy or tin-top I'd choose the NAHT every time. Sometimes the best looking model isn't the one I'd prefer to live with. |
I personally find the NAHT on par with the tintop for attractiveness and a step up in appearance from the looks of a Westy or ASI pop top. |
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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1890 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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NAHT is not ugly at all.
My criteria is my Westy has to fit in my garage, a NAHT will not.
Maybe I concern over nothing, but the extra weight of a NAHT up high does make me wonder. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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Your concern about weight is unfounded. The NAHT is lighter than a Westy pop top or an ASI pop top. |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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The weight or impact to handling of a high-top seems to be overstated by non-users. I don't believe it compromises handling in any meaningful way. Low hanging trees become an issue though.
As for looks, I find the AW high-top to look great but the interior space is cramped. The NAHT looks remarkably good given how much height it adds but I look back at photos of my van as a pop-top and see a good looking van that the NAHT disrupted a bit. It's not postal van ugly (as posted above) just not spectacular.
The small footprint of the roof of the NAHT reflects the challenges of lifting a Westy pop-top. As you and Ms Taboo said, to continue the angles, the roof must get smaller. That's a challenge for this project. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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Ahhh beauty is in the eye of the beer holder..
but there are alot of form vs function parts to a mass market equation.
go into the Bay or Split forums and EACH AND EVERY VANAGON IS UGLY
how about a design profile more following VWs european hightop.. like this
djkeev wrote: |
Trouble is..... IMHO ........ this is ugly.
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Here's my Brother's DIY version of that.
this top is built from a Westfalia poptop and does indeed pop up with the same stock canvas.
it was achieved by sectioning the roof out and then raising the side panels. with luan & 1x3 internal ribs.. it's all about as light as it can be made yet be sturdy.. the roof is the stock westy roof blank that was cut out.
but the problem is it's HEAVY and requires at the minimum the HD lift struts. possibly doubled up.
my brother went with 12v linear actuators so it's a powered poptop hightop now.. and like any good project, it's a working prototype.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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though the VW one is sweet with it's forward cubby.
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dobryan Samba Member
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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As I see it (IMHO), the way to go is a pop top high top (PTHT) just tall enough for an average person to stand upright in when using the camper with the top down. Then having ample room in the upper bunk when sleeping with the top popped.
Being able to sleep comfortably in the upper bunk when the top is down is a very low priority to my partner and me. Seems like the "stealth" camping thing is more for bumlife than the average camper.
I had the Westy hightop, and while you can sleep up there it's like a coffin, much prefer the pop top headroom. In order to be able to sleep upstairs in a fixed hightop the overall profile just needs to be tall. The PTHT has the advantage of lower profile while driving and ample space when camping. Also better chance of fitting garages.
I did like having the added indoor storage over the cab of the hightop Westy, that would be a nice addition to any PTHT. But as you can see in the cutaway in order for Westy to provide even cramped sleeping room in the upper bunk the headroom over the stove becomes excessive. I never measured mine but it must be about seven feet!
The PTHT would only need to be as tall as the front section of the Westy hightop. Still think Reimo's PTHT is the best and I'd pay to have one. Have even thought about importing a 2wd Reimo and swapping tops with my Syncro.
By the way, below is a messed up quote, I didn't say that.
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...The powered roof vent gives better ventilation than the open 3-window canvas tent... |
But my 3-window lets me see what the campground neighbors are up to w/o putting my pants on. |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
Being able to sleep comfortably in the upper bunk when the top is down is a very low priority to my partner and me. Seems like the "stealth" camping thing is more for bumlife than the average camper.
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FWIW, our high-top attic is 100% storage, We'll never sleep up top...for now.
Also, stealth camping is an anachronism in many areas. Sleeping overnight in a car is commonplace, at least on the west coast of the US. I'm not sure in what circumstances it's critically important to not pop the top and certainly, no cop will be fooled by a high top. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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I like sleeping upstairs in the summer, kinda that treehouse effect with the windows open. Leave everything down below and just throw the sleeping bags up top. I would like to add a thicker mattress pad up there though, another plus to the PTHT along with being able to leave the bags and pillows up top while driving.
Cold camping would be enhanced, leave the top down but still able to cook comfortably and less space to heat.
Be interesting to see what RMW comes up with. Been happy with their other products, but aesthetics is paramount. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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danbar Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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I have zero regrets about searching the world high and low to find a proper Zwitter roof (high top/pop top). It's great to be able to stand up in the van with the roof down, or to stealth camp, or stay warmer in the winter. Summer time is top up, windows open and tons of space inside. It's really perfect. Bonus, I can still fit through a 9' garage door with plenty of room to spare.
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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There's a lot to like there. The first thing I notice is that the roof is large enough and flat enough to use it for hauling or solar panels. The NAHT is small and irregular on top.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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dobryan Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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danbar wrote: |
I have zero regrets about searching the world high and low to find a proper Zwitter roof (high top/pop top). It's great to be able to stand up in the van with the roof down, or to stealth camp, or stay warmer in the winter. Summer time is top up, windows open and tons of space inside. It's really perfect. Bonus, I can still fit through a 9' garage door with plenty of room to spare.
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I've often admired those. What is the interior head room height? _________________ Dave O
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deadaheadub Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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That Zwitter model is actually pretty good looking, nice lines to it.
That would be a very attractive enhancement to the Westy poptop, imo. _________________ Grateful daily,
Ryan
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Past loves: '65 Bug, '70 Westy poptop, '64 Squareback project, '76 Westy tintop "Loose Lucy", '76 Westy tintop "Sharee"
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?Waldo? Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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IMO overall it looks good but the leading curve doesn't fit the style of the rest of the Vanagon body. It would look better with two angles to the front. |
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danbar Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Hightop poptop/ Westy top lift kit? |
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Dobryan- I've never measured it inside but I’d say it’s probably 6’1” ish? I’m 5’9” and I know that it’s never been an issue for me to stand up in there. I did measure the outside height the other day and it’s about 8’3” total from the ground to the top of the roof. _________________ '88 SCA High/Pop-top Syncro camper
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