Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts New!  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior?
Page: 1, 2, 3  Next
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
craegandbritt
Samba Member


Joined: January 30, 2021
Posts: 21
Location: Utah
craegandbritt is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:50 pm    Post subject: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Hi All,

First post apologies if the question has been asked and answered, I couldn't find it in search and I have been lurking for weeks.

My wife and I just bought a 1984 Vanagon Westy, building it out to travel in for a year out on the road. The OG cabinets are in decent working order and aren't bad. However, we really don't like the layout and some nice custom cabinets with wood counter tops would really amplify the space. I am planning out the interior removal, including AC and rear heater. I know some of you will say I will regret taking out the AC but it doesn't work and it sounds like on the '84s it never really did. Will likely upgrade to the in-dash AC down the road.

For those of you that removed your original interior, what do you wish you had done differently? I want to remove everything and start over. No bench seats, just a bed, cabinets, pull out kitchenette. Found a guy and gal on youtube that did something similar to what I am thinking. Here is a link to a video of their van.


Link


Any advice on what you wish you had done differently on a camper re-design would be much appreciated!

I plan on selling the old AC equipment and cabinetry.

Edit:
- I have a lot of experience making custom cabinets and counter tops so they will be high quality.
- We have a 2.5L engine going in as we speak so a little bit more weight from the nicer interior is not a huge concern. Plus we are dropping about 80lbs from the AC and heater removal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 15081
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Have you camped in it yet as is? Post up your build. Pictures or it didnít happen.
_________________
Adios
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
drj434343
Samba Member


Joined: January 31, 2016
Posts: 364
Location: Portland, OR
drj434343 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

I gutted a poor condition Westy interior in my 83 and added a custom teak interior; including solid teak countertop. Damn the weight, I love teak.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


A couple of regrets:

1. I wish I had conceived of a folding countertop extension prior to construction. As it is, I added a slide in extension which you can see in the last photo. I wish I had designed something fancier which could slide out from under the counter when cooking to double counter space.

2. While I love the all-drawer setup, I wish I had been more aggressive with drawer sizes, as there is some dead space between them. But drawers are so much better than digging in the back of cabinets!

3. Speaking of drawers, I wish I had added at least 1 under the rear seat. Unlike most, I use that under seat storage for semi-accessible stuff, and lifting the seat while camping with stuff everywhere can be cumbersome. A drawer would have been awesome.

4. Speaking of more drawers, I wish I had sprung for the drawer style isotherm fridge rather than the truck fridge. I'm on my knees digging in the back of that thing pretty often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ahwahnee
Samba Member


Joined: June 05, 2010
Posts: 9335
Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
Ahwahnee is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

craegandbritt wrote:
...I know some of you will say I will regret taking out the AC but it doesn't work and it sounds like on the '84s it never really did...


Remove it if you wish - but don't remove just because some say it doesn't work well.

The AC on my 84 Westy works fine and living in Arizona it is essential to year-round enjoyment.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
erste
Samba Member


Joined: March 29, 2013
Posts: 1081
Location: San Francisco
erste is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

OP, there are some good builds in this thread if you haven't seen it yet:
Custom camping interior ideas.

And of course the Drive Nacho Drive build:
http://www.drivenachodrive.com/about-nacho/installing-custom-cabinets-in-nacho-vanagon/

I've just started watching the youtube video you linked, but can't imagine having the stove and pantry on a slide like that. No access to that entire space unless the door is open and the slide is pulled out seems like a total pain. Really nice build though from what I've seen so far, and if it works for them, that's awesome.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
craegandbritt
Samba Member


Joined: January 30, 2021
Posts: 21
Location: Utah
craegandbritt is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

The van is at the mechanics right now but I will swing by tomorrow to take some pictures to show you what we are working with.

drj434343 that is an amazing build! Love the teak! Thank you for sharing the idea about the pull-out countertop, that's a great idea.

Ahwahnee wrote:

The AC on my 84 Westy works fine and living in Arizona it is essential to year-round enjoyment.


This is good to hear Ahwahnee, my wife really wanted all the windows to be clear but hearing an Arizonan say that AC works carries a LOT of weight.

Thank you for the link to the custom camper interior! I hadn't found that one yet.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
jimf909 Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: April 03, 2014
Posts: 5782
Location: Seattle
jimf909 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Here's a nice one although Drive Nacho Drive is outstanding too. But these stick to the general Westy layout which may not be what you're thinking.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9344883#9344883

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Abscate wrote:

Do not get killed, do not kill others.


Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.

Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
g shepherd
Samba Member


Joined: August 14, 2003
Posts: 85
Location: San Diego, CA
g shepherd is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

There are some interesting ideas at 4yourvan.com

The rear slide out kitchen is intriguing, and the slide out pantry seems like a good use of space.

I've got half the Adventurewagen kitchen in my van-- a stove/fridge unit behind the passenger seat. I like being able to stand outside the van and cook-- and grab a beer from the fridge! But I also like the big 'living room' feel of the traditional Westy layout with the passenger seat swiveled around. Trade-offs!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev Premium Member
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 28686
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

The belief that "factory" VW A/C worked poorly new is a myth.
Many of us who have rebuilt our aging systems have proven that this Vintage layout has the potential to freeze you out of the Van.

That being said, cold air out of the dash vents is really nice!
Off the shelf Vintage Air provides this feature.
Most who have done this report good operation though many say it isn't large enough to cool the rear of the Van.

The old Behr units provided the best design with two .Evaporators. One in the dash, one under the rear seat.

Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert


Last edited by djkeev on Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:46 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
space
Samba Member


Joined: November 19, 2017
Posts: 371

space is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Not sure I'd get rid of the bench seat/bed
Spin the passenger seat and u have a nice space to relax (one in passenger seat one on the bench) w/o being nose to nose in the front seats or side by side on the edge of the bed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev Premium Member
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 28686
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Westfalia was walking a narrow line between having an everyday driver that carries a family and fits into your garage and a full vacation camper Van.

They did a good job.

But, as individuals, such as your linked video, they have no need to carry a family (yet) and are enjoying youth traveling free.
Retired/empty nesters are in that same boat of no need for extra seats, unless you plan on bringing Grandchildren along as we have done.

Go for it!
There are great designs out there, make what suits you.

Do realize that if executed poorly, your Westy's resale value plummeted remarkably.

Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dobryan Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: March 24, 2006
Posts: 14005
Location: Brookeville, MD
dobryan is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Definitely use the passenger swivel seat. It transforms the interior.

Consider what width bed you two need to be comfortable. My wife and I found the westy width bed too narrow for us as we got older. I have removed the rear closet from my '87 westy and did my euroBus build with a full width passenger seat/bed.

Whatever you do do it well and you'll enjoy it for years. Very Happy

This is my euroBus interior.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


More details of what I am building are in my signature line.
_________________
Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD

"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson

MD>Canada>AK>WA>OR>CA>AZ>UT>WY>SD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646

Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371

The West Coast Westy
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=746794
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 15081
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Coming from a 68 bus camper, the vanagon is like the Ritz. We have found it to be extremely functional as laid out. We can stock it for 2 weeks for 2 and an 80 pound dog. Thatís why I asked if you had used it yet.

With a new to you camper, the money and time might be better spent making a 30 year old vehicle reliable. Plus once you start actually living it in, ideas will start coming to you.
_________________
Adios
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
space
Samba Member


Joined: November 19, 2017
Posts: 371

space is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

A couple of notes from the video
They have No floor space
It has been my experience that floor space is crucial to not feeling like a sardine

Also, getting to the motor with that biga$$ mattress on there is would drive me nuts ( the pad on the original is a lot more convenient)
And Yes u will have to get to the motor its 30+ yrs old
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ahwahnee
Samba Member


Joined: June 05, 2010
Posts: 9335
Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
Ahwahnee is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

craegandbritt wrote:
...This is good to hear Ahwahnee, my wife really wanted all the windows to be clear...


If you are referring to the way the rear overhead cabinet (AC or no) blocks much of the rearward view... a rear camera can replace the mirror to create a great (wider, unobstructed) view. That plus a couple of big convex mirrors (e.g. from a Land Rover) and you get viewing and awareness that is not dependent on windows.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
4Gears4Tires
Samba Member


Joined: October 08, 2018
Posts: 2355
Location: MD
4Gears4Tires is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
With a new to you camper, the money and time might be better spent making a 30 year old vehicle reliable. Plus once you start actually living it in, ideas will start coming to you.


Same with houses. I advise all my friends who just bought a house to not do any big upgrades until they've lived there a year. Random outlets, paint a room, leaky faucet? Yes, redo the kitchen? No. Wait until you've lived in it a while and you'll start to understand your needs better. BTDT. Ripped my bathroom apart 1 week into home ownership. My only bathroom. It took me 9 months of fixing other things to get back around to it. Shocked You don't want to spend $8k doing a custom interior and then suddenly your motor needs to be replaced.

Go on a few trips and see what works and what doesn't. I'm not saying don't rip out the interior and remake it to what you want. I'm a fan of that. I'm saying, use what's there to better inform your decisions on making your new interior.
_________________
'87 Syncro
Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
fishgo
Samba Member


Joined: June 21, 2018
Posts: 111
Location: Madison, WI
fishgo is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

The very best feature about a stock Westy is the fact I can roll out of bed and make coffee first thing in the morning, without going outside. BW (Before Westy), I was looking at a tear-drop camper but then realized I'd have to get up, get dressed, get outside, get cold to make coffee. It took one cold morning (the very first morning) to appreciate the stock setup. Your setup photo looks like an outside adventure; not for me.

Also agree with another poster, having floor space is king. The interior is spacious when you put things away. My having a 4'x4' (or whatever size) empty piece of carpet to look at or walk around in feels luxurious.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
michaelasnider
Samba Member


Joined: September 27, 2013
Posts: 234
Location: East Kootenays, Canada
michaelasnider is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

My wife and I did 8 months in our '82 with our 100 pound dog. It is a super functional space. Improvements we've made since that I wish we had made ahead of time:
- Removed the fridge with the GoWesty delete kit. Our fridge worked great but it was a lot of wasted space compared to the amount of shelving you gain.
- Added an Engel behind the passenger seat. We had been using a Yeti, but not dealing with ice was a big improvement.
- Rear cabinet fridge door mod. Replaced the hanging cabinet with more shelving. It is a way better use of space for 99% of the time.
- High top. Way more storage and you never have to do the westy shuffle again.

Otherwise, other than adding a locker under the front seat for valuables and roof box on top, the stock configuration worked great. We carried a lot of stuff with us:
- 2x mountain bikes and all associated gear
- back country camping gear
- 4x surfboards + 1 skimboard and wetsuits for 2 people
- clothing for cool Canadian fall temps right up to warm Mexican summer temps.
- 30lbs of dog food and other things a 100lb dog needs (toys, bed, bowls, extra towels)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
space
Samba Member


Joined: November 19, 2017
Posts: 371

space is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

For food storage we used cargo nets
2 x spice rack
1 x rear cab
also, the idea of rolling around w ceramic and glass (as they do in the video) doesnt make sense to me
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
joetiger Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: January 27, 2005
Posts: 4540
Location: denver
joetiger is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: Any regrets from removing original Westfalia interior? Reply with quote

Check out this thread for some ideas:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=40

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Some disagreed with negating the passenger swivel, but all agree that Ryan did a pretty incredible job on it.
_________________
Joe T.

'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'19 Golf R
'02 Beetle GLS
'15 Forester

"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron

"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB