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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:12 am    Post subject: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

This E-flash type extra emblem was factory fitted at the rear on most D-jet 1600's sold in Sweden all from the introduction here in 69.
Anyone seen it fitted on cars in other markets also?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Never seen it, period!

VW1600TLE is rare enough (few Euro FI cars were delivered).

The "E" in "TLE" already identifies it as fuel injected. I don't get why there's an extra emblem.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Here's another 1600TLE with E flash emblem.
Learned something NEW today, never seen this before, there has to be a VW Brochure signifying this emblem.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

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Here's another 1600TLE with E flash emblem.
Learned something NEW today, never seen this before, there has to be a VW Brochure signifying this emblem.
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Wow, even MORE rare! Automatics and FI were both rare options in much of Europe!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

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Wow, even MORE rare! Automatics and FI were both rare options in much of Europe!


Well yes and no, Automatics were rare over here in Europe I estimate less than one of 20 were sold with auto trans.
FI was common in some European countries and less common in other...in my country (Sweden) the carb version was not a listed at all as an option after -69, I have not seen a carbed long nose myself.

Regarding the E flash emblem this set was for sale recently (sold now for 20c Shocked ).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Never seen it also. However, it looks nice.

Why did Sweden have Fuel Injected cars? Was it because of Emission Standards?

I did hear of self adjusting rear brakes on Type 3's in the Swedish Version, but never seen it on cars. Just in repair manuals in pictures.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Tvättbjörn wrote:
Never seen it also. However, it looks nice.

Why did Sweden have Fuel Injected cars? Was it because of Emission Standards?

I did hear of self adjusting rear brakes on Type 3's in the Swedish Version, but never seen it on cars. Just in repair manuals in pictures.


Sweden was a rich country (at that time!) and the only listed versions of VWs in the late 60's and early '70s were the most exclusive ones (LE) ...I guess they wanted this to compensate a bit for the aircooled VWs poor performance and "old technology".
And yes Sweden also followed the US by rising the emission standards in the early 70's, after the US but before the rest of Europe. The LE was markeded as "already meets the US emission regulations for 197xx".

Also yes, the late Type3 for the Swedish market had self adjusting rear brakes (aswell as the Type1 and Type4).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

This "E" emblem had to be a regional item.
"E" : Einspritzer (German for injection).
Must have been something VW wanted buyers to know that denotes engine with fuel injection.
Very interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

any photos available of self adjusting brakes?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Erik G wrote:
any photos available of self adjusting brakes?


This shows self adjusting brakes on a 412 but the Type3 should be very similar.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

In fact I have (twice) seen another version of the E-flash emblem where it is integrated with the main script.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Typ3nut wrote:
Here's another 1600TLE with E flash emblem.
Learned something NEW today, never seen this before, there has to be a VW Brochure signifying this emblem.
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Now you've found another accessory for your rides to have. It'll give you something to search for. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

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Typ3nut wrote:
Here's another 1600TLE with E flash emblem.

Now you've found another accessory for your rides to have. It'll give you something to search for. :wink:


Sorry Bob, It's not an accessory, the "E"emblem was only on 1968 & 1969 Euro models.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

I have this 1969 TLe in storage for 5 years now. It is an import from Sweden. Hopefully this September I finally am able to start the restauration. I will blog by then.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Congrats to your car Nootje!
Looks very nice, nice colour and the best of all - it has the magic E-flash! Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

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Congrats to your car Nootje!
Looks very nice, nice colour and the best of all - it has the magic E-flash! Shocked

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Yes it really nice and unmolested and the interior is like new, however the bottom and axles are quite bad. As if it has been parked on a meadow for a few years.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Could the "E-flash" be interpreted as FI, fuel injected? Look carefully- the vertical stem of the "E" tapers down instead of an expected constant width. The "I" is attached to the E/F with a short, narrow bar simply for ease of manufacturing/casting. This bar could be the bottom leg of an "E", though why would the bottom leg be much shorter than the top leg? Yes, the "FI" would be redundant with the "E" of the factory logo, but maybe the English phrase "fuel injection" is well enough known due to being a predominant 2nd language in many European countries that it could be "status"?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

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Could the "E-flash" be interpreted as FI, fuel injected? Look carefully- the vertical stem of the "E" tapers down instead of an expected constant width. The "I" is attached to the E/F with a short, narrow bar simply for ease of manufacturing/casting. This bar could be the bottom leg of an "E", though why would the bottom leg be much shorter than the top leg? Yes, the "FI" would be redundant with the "E" of the factory logo, but maybe the English phrase "fuel injection" is well enough known due to being a predominant 2nd language in many European countries that it could be "status"?
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I don't think so.
It had to do more with the fact that VW was the first to use electronic fuel injection on the 1968 Type 3. Fuel injection existed before this on German cars, but it was mechanical fuel injection, similar in function to Diesel injection.

The E "flash" emblem was designed to notate the difference. An "E" designation was previously used by German automakers to designate fuel injection from about the mid 50s.

Also, VW previously used an "E" badge designation, on the 1500 E, but that designation meant "economy" (S level trim but with an N engine), and was only used in Canada, AFAIK.

Total electronic "computer controlled" fuel injection was a brand new thing that nobody else had (yet) and I am sure VW really wanted to promote this as it was extremely advanced for the time.

What is odd is that ALL USA- bound Type 3s from 1968- on were equipped with FI, but VW badged them all simply as "Volkswagen".
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

BTW, Type 3 Detectives used to sell these badges. I bought a few and promptly hid them from myself. Rolling Eyes

Whatever happened to those guys, anyways? Seems they went all bus and now have almost no Type 3 parts.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: VW1600E "flash" emblem, anyone seen it? Reply with quote

Rome wrote:
Could the "E-flash" be interpreted as FI, fuel injected? Look carefully- the vertical stem of the "E" tapers down instead of an expected constant width. The "I" is attached to the E/F with a short, narrow bar simply for ease of manufacturing/casting. This bar could be the bottom leg of an "E", though why would the bottom leg be much shorter than the top leg? Yes, the "FI" would be redundant with the "E" of the factory logo, but maybe the English phrase "fuel injection" is well enough known due to being a predominant 2nd language in many European countries that it could be "status"?


Intresting, never thought of that!
However in the only country (Sweden) where this "E" was fitted as standard the phrase FI was not known, instead the "E" stood for Electronic.
Below a factory photo where a 411 has the script "Electronic" ...something I never have seen on production cars.

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