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bcolins Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2020 Posts: 729 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:15 am Post subject: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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My new to me 2003MV has a bizarre problem. I constantly have various size pieces of decomposing foam rubber blowing out of the defroster and air conditioning vents they end up all over the interior of the car. My left side drivers vent is now about halfway blocked with chunks of foam rubber from inside the vent ducting. I’m assuming this is a common problem is there a solution for this. I’m thinking of the in-house ductwork cleaning where they send a snake up that rattles around in your vents to clean out accumulated Whatever. Any suggestions? |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Congratulations, you get to remove the dash. That's blend door foam that needs to be replaced. It's a good idea to replace the heater core and blower motor while you're in there. It's not a terribly difficult job. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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studioh Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2020 Posts: 44 Location: OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Congratulations, you get to remove the dash. That's blend door foam that needs to be replaced. It's a good idea to replace the heater core and blower motor while you're in there. It's not a terribly difficult job. |
Agreed- job isn't bad but you are stripping it back to the firewall- the whole dash and all ducts come out- I was quoted $1100 for it and that was more than enough to tackle it myself Lots of write ups and how to videos on YouTube |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2010 Posts: 297 Location: Amesbury, MA
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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It is not to bad, bag and lable all the bits..
I got most of my parts back together
Be real careful with that clock spring when you remove it.
Silver HVAC tape worked great for me for the vents _________________ 2001 eurovn weekender 207k fresh batteries |
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MrPulldown Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2020 Posts: 649 Location: Truckee
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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I am having this happen too. Found out in the desert this last summer when it was 110 outside and a cool 90 inside with the AC on full blast. Turns out the air divider has holes that are covered with foam. The foam deteriorates and blows out the vents. This allows the hot and cold air to mix reducing the effectiveness of the AC system.
There is one account from CAVEVAN, of being able to remove the lower center console. Using cut squares of foil duct sealing tape and reaching your arm up and sealing the holes. I am going to try this route before I take my dash apart to the firewall. _________________ 2002 EVC |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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When I did mine, I first applied the foil tape, and then some foam. If the foam fails, then the tape should keep the air from mixing. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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sgirard Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2014 Posts: 93 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Just chiming in to say I was able to solve this problem in my van by going in through the center console. 10 minutes to remove the screws. An hour or two to stare at the problem and figure out what/where the blower door is by feel. Ten minutes to apply foil tape and another ten to button it back up. If you don’t have fairly thin hands and arms it might require a helper. Worth a shot if you don’t otherwise need to pull the dash. Solved my problems for both defrost and AC.
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There is one account from CAVEVAN, of being able to remove the lower center console. Using cut squares of foil duct sealing tape and reaching your arm up and sealing the holes. I am going to try this route before I take my dash apart to the firewall. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2010 Posts: 297 Location: Amesbury, MA
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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sounds right..
If you dont have to replace your heater core it can be done...
Painful and neeeding skinny hands _________________ 2001 eurovn weekender 207k fresh batteries |
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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I did the "cut the hole in the side of the air box" method on our 2002 EV-C. I was 66 at the time, not too limber and my hands will never be described as "thin". It got done. Check the Riata pages on FB for the write up. _________________ Larry in OB
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bcolins Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2020 Posts: 729 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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I sent an email out to Cavevan and they responded saying they always pull the dash off and replace the heater core at the same time. Appreciate the tip on the Riata Facebook group I’ll head over there and see if I can figure out where it might be
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bcolins Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2020 Posts: 729 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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OB Bus wrote: |
I did the "cut the hole in the side of the air box" method on our 2002 EV-C. I was 66 at the time, not too limber and my hands will never be described as "thin". It got done. Check the Riata pages on FB for the write up. |
There are several Rialta/Euro van groups on Facebook. Do you know which group it was on and would I need to just scroll down through all the posts to find it or do they have some kind of an archive?
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Facebook page is Riata owners group of America.
Or search eurovan with blend doors with foam. _________________ Larry in OB
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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bcolins wrote: |
OB Bus wrote: |
I did the "cut the hole in the side of the air box" method on our 2002 EV-C. I was 66 at the time, not too limber and my hands will never be described as "thin". It got done. Check the Riata pages on FB for the write up. |
There are several Rialta/Euro van groups on Facebook. Do you know which group it was on and would I need to just scroll down through all the posts to find it or do they have some kind of an archive?
Brian |
Facebook is designed to keep you on the site so they can sell your eyes, so they never make archives or things to save you time
In a few words , the difference between a well-regulated/ moderated forum necessary for the security of the information, the right to never go on Facebook shall not be infringed.
Here’s a good link with pictures
You can definitely put a small hole in the side and then evaluate the blend door with a borescope to see if you want to pull the dash or work through the cutout
http://www.rialtainfo.com/vw/vw_images/FoamSummary.pdf _________________ .ssS! |
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MrPulldown Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2020 Posts: 649 Location: Truckee
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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sgirard wrote: |
Just chiming in to say I was able to solve this problem in my van by going in through the center console. 10 minutes to remove the screws. An hour or two to stare at the problem and figure out what/where the blower door is by feel. Ten minutes to apply foil tape and another ten to button it back up. If you don’t have fairly thin hands and arms it might require a helper. Worth a shot if you don’t otherwise need to pull the dash. Solved my problems for both defrost and AC.
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Did you have to cut a hole in the box? Do you glue it back together? _________________ 2002 EVC |
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MrPulldown Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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bcolins wrote: |
I sent an email out to Cavevan and they responded saying they always pull the dash off and replace the heater core at the same time. Appreciate the tip on the Riata Facebook group I’ll head over there and see if I can figure out where it might be
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I am sure that is what they do now as a full service shop that needs to get things done right. But back when he was "extremjeepin" he would take more short cuts.
I tried going back and finding that post, I think it was on VW vortex, but can not. Did not try too hard. But it was similar to the above account. Go through the lower center apply tape, be done.
I am still trying to figure out if cutting a hole is necessary. _________________ 2002 EVC |
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sgirard Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2014 Posts: 93 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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MrPulldown wrote: |
bcolins wrote: |
I sent an email out to Cavevan and they responded saying they always pull the dash off and replace the heater core at the same time. Appreciate the tip on the Riata Facebook group I’ll head over there and see if I can figure out where it might be
Brian in Austin |
I am sure that is what they do now as a full service shop that needs to get things done right. But back when he was "extremjeepin" he would take more short cuts.
I tried going back and finding that post, I think it was on VW vortex, but can not. Did not try too hard. But it was similar to the above account. Go through the lower center apply tape, be done.
I am still trying to figure out if cutting a hole is necessary. |
I haven’t been able to turn up the video I used as inspiration to seal up the blend door but there was no cutting involved.
Edit: might have been this one. Will give you a sense of how to access the blend door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EKPWZck5RXo _________________ 95 EVC
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SteveZ Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2019 Posts: 118 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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I did it! This past week I rewatched Thomas' videos, reread all the articles and forums, made notes on process and procedures, and then removed my dash.
I laid out all the parts and screws on two large tables in the relative positions they were in the van and labeled them. My wife documented the process with photos as I worked, taking close ups of what I was doing.
It really is a straight forward task. I worked slowly and deliberately; it took me an afternoon, then I had the blender box on the workbench. It will be easy to re-foam the flaps and other places where foam has perished with the blender box out, and the dash off I can replace lots of other bits of perished foam in the vents and along the dash-windshield edge.
I'll get the various bits of foam next week and start the next step, but I'm glad that, after years of procrastination and worry about this, I'm well under way with this project that is much easier and straightforward than I expected.
I'm glad I decided to go about solving the "foam" problem this way. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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What year was this T4 Steve?
Can you share the pictures in the gallery or add to this thread, please ? _________________ .ssS! |
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SteveZ Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2019 Posts: 118 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Abscate wrote: |
What year was this T4 Steve?
Can you share the pictures in the gallery or add to this thread, please ? |
My van is a 1992 Eurovan CV - the Canadian variant with the full Westfalia camper. It has the AAF engine with a manual transmission.
So, my van has no airbags or other complications found on later model years.
I have lots of photos, snaps to help my memory on reassembly, but too many to post in TheSamba Gallery. Here's a link to them, but if this fails in time, please send me a message and I'll send you a link, but do keep in mind these were not made as a training guide.
https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-wxJfXD
Currently I'm trying to find a couple of parts I'd like to exchange before putting things back together. And I need to buy the various foams I need. I decided not to order foam and other parts until I had the dash apart and the blender box out so I could sort out just what I needed. |
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SteveZ Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2019 Posts: 118 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Pieces of decomposing foam constantly blowing out of AC vents |
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Here are some photos of the re-foaming of the blender box. It went better than I expected. I'm pleased I decided to remove the dash for access. It wasn't as difficult a task as I anticipated and worried over.
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