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lazer_floyd Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2022 Posts: 10 Location: Clarks Summit, PA
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:34 am Post subject: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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Hi all, I'm in the process of replacing old steel coolant pipes with a stainless set. 1985 2wd model, with a build date in November 1984. I have all of the hose clamps and frame attachment brackets unfastened, except for a clamp in the cross-member just to the rear of the gas tank. Anyone have a pic handy of what this area looks like from the front (gas tank side) of the cross-member? You can see the clamp through the opening in my pic, but I need to know what's going on on the blind side. Ideally I would get this clamp loose and pipes swapped without dropping or lowering the tank. I've searched this forum and watched gas tank videos on youtube, but have come up short. Here is a pic of what I'm talking about, from the rear side of the cross-member:
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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No help. I dropped my tank. At the time I couldn’t see how you could get the replacement pipes in with the tank in place. I recall having to rotate them into place as I threaded them forward. The tank would have prevented that. That said I was trained, “When in doubt, take it out”. On flat rate it was often faster to remove something in your way than to work around it. Post up pics for others. _________________ ☮️ |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7922 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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IIRC, it's a metal strap, not a clamp. I simply cut mine with tin snips, then got on with replacement (with tank in place). _________________ ~Kamz
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6355 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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It's clamped on a welded tab to keep them up snug.
You can cut the clamp but you won't be able to reinstall the clamp easily...
To do it with the tank in place, the shifter rod has to get out of the way.
By the time you do all that and fuss, you might as well take the fuel tank out, it's a 10 min job to drop it.
Reseal it preventively with quality parts. Or if it has been resealed already, just replace the rubber hoses that you will have disconnected.
All you need to do is disconnect the balance tube first, disconnect the hose from the vapor tank to the metal pipe on the tank (if they haven't been crossed, it's the rear nipple on the vapor tank).
Disconnect fuel supply and return. If the tank has some gas, use the fuel pump to empty it, jump the fuel pump relay in the engine bay to run the pump. (install a longer hose out the pump or filter depending on your set up to go to your jerricanS.)
If it's not too full, just take the tank with hoses off, pinch them, you can replace them when you're done.
As you lower the tank, disconnect the gauge sender connector. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
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mtnhome Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 496 Location: Summit County, CO
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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Missed you have an '85. _________________ '84 Westy, '93 Subaru ej22 and Subarugears 5speed
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7922 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
You can cut the clamp but you won't be able to reinstall the clamp easily... |
Why make things hard on yourself? Just cut the thing off and go get some new straps (or clamps). Done. Edit: I ran a new strap through the frame just behind the rear crossmember.
ALIKA T3 wrote: |
To do it with the tank in place, the shifter rod has to get out of the way. |
Not on my automatic or Dad's manual.
But I didn't install the pipes as complete units; I put the front pieces in first, installed the couplers on the rear sections, then joined them together in situ. I also replaced the heater hoses, front to back, rerouting them a bit in the process.🤷🏻♀️ _________________ ~Kamz
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lazer_floyd Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2022 Posts: 10 Location: Clarks Summit, PA
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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I appreciate the feedback -- thanks all! It looks like my pipes are held up with a screw-type hose clamp. I assumed that wasn't a factory fitting but rather something courtesy of a previous owner. Thank you for the info about the tab on the cross-member, that was the piece of the puzzle I needed. Ideally I can loosen the screw and replace the pipes one by one, then snug it back up. The stainless replacement pipes I have are the 2-piece variety which hopefully makes re-installation easier. I'll take a sawzall to the old ones if necessary. There are some areas of major rust pitting so they're of no value.
I'll report back if I have something of value to share! Or more questions. |
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t3 kopf Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2012 Posts: 1115 Location: over by 'der
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Coolant Pipe Attachment Near Gas Tank? |
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i cut the strap off, then found 2 adel clamps that fit around the pipes individually. Drilled a small hole in the lip of the crossmember, and riveted the clamps to it. The advantage is that the adel clamps have rubber cushioning to dampen vibration on the pipes. _________________ '90 Carat w/ '95 phase 1 EJ22 OBD2 conversion |
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