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ericallenjazz Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Geneva, IL
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:45 pm Post subject: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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What are the best anti-theft measures for VW buses with manual transmission? Fuel cut-off? Club? Boot? All of the above?
(guessing that fuel cut-off won't help much since it would be easy to pop it into neutral and just tow it away) |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50348
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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ericallenjazz wrote: |
What are the best anti-theft measures for VW buses with manual transmission? Fuel cut-off? Club? Boot? All of the above?
(guessing that fuel cut-off won't help much since it would be easy to pop it into neutral and just tow it away) |
Very subjective question, what I will say is you want something that is easy for you to use, verses something that takes a fair amount of bother each time you get in or out of your van.
No method is fool proof and any car can be hoisted up onto a car carrier in a few minutes and it might not even register as out of the ordinary with your neighbors. One company in Portland, Oregon literally stole thousands of vintage cars and truck and sold them for scrap without anybody trying to run them off or doing so much as taking their picture.
They just cruised the streets looking for vehicles that weren't being driven regularly and came back with the tow truck when they were sure the owner wasn't around. They had been doing this for a decade or so before someone figured out their scheme. I guess with the number of security cameras out there today, it would be harder for someone to pull this off, so maybe one thing to do would be to mount a security camera in plain sight to scare the professional with the tow truck off.
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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I don't know if it is the best, because I've never had anyone try to steal my car, but what I do is... wait a minute...
Here's a simple one I have heard of: Put a disconnect on the battery and get an engine compartment lock. Keeps people from snooping in the engine bay, too. _________________ John
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76935 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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ericallenjazz wrote: |
it would be easy to pop it into neutral and just tow it away) |
^^^^^
THIS
Keep it in a locked garage. Otherwise if someone wants it they can use a tow truck and take it.
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HoboBus Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 347 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Motion alarm?
Yeah they're too sensitive sometimes, but it would go off with the tow truck approach, drive off approach, tilt flatbed truck approach, etc.
Put on an engine lid switch.
Easy use with a key fob control.
For longer periods away from your bus, wheel boots front and rear..... all depends on how serious you want to get, I guess.
Good luck!
Hobo. _________________ Salt air it ain't thin, it'll stick right to your skin,
it'll make you feel fine. Makes you feel fine.
And I wanna be there. -- Jimmy Buffett
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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don't make it all nice and shiny
keep it old, dirty smelling funky and full of questionable stickers. _________________
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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locked garage when you aren't driving it, and keep an eye on it.
My dad spent some time in Asia after WWII. He said that things can be so bad sometimes even watching your car someone will steal from it. They could park a jeep where they could see it and anyone who approached it, except maybe for the lower 1/2 because a bush was in the way. When they'd walk out 15 minutes after having a lunch the tires and transmission etc would be gone. Someone would jack it up a couple inches, not enough to notice and that was that. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3578 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Trunk monkey |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16970 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Boot
Club
Engine lid lock
Don’t take risks
I have two stories to pass on to you guys. Coincidentally this happened to two separate customers and they were both women
1). 1968 camper. Parked on the street in Venice, Ca. Owner is out for a walk and is heading home. Looks up and sees a couple shady guys in a car across the street from her bus just eyeballing it. She goes inside and retrieves her locking boot. Comes out and installs it. The guys drove away. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16970 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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2). Lady customer has a very nice 1974 tin top camper. She drives to a park where she’s meeting people. Locks her bus and carries stuff over the rise to the picnic area. A short while later she returns to her bus and finds a flat bed tow truck backed up to it. The guys see her coming and split.
Share your stories _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Cap10323 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 604 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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I live in northern Ohio, where older Honda vehicles are a huge target. And there's practically nothing you can do short of locking the car in a building to prevent a determined thief from stealing one. I've heard stories of people having boots cut off, cars towed, or stripped where they sat.
My Bus is not a big target around here, it's just an "old car" to most people. And it's rare enough that if you stole it you'd stick out like a sore thumb. So I pretty much just lock mine when I park it, and lock it in my garage when I'm not driving it.
It really depends on where you are located. In some areas Busses are not desirable theft cars, in other areas, they are incredibly desirable theft cars.
A locking boot will prevent most thieves except people with tow trucks and angle grinders.
Clubs don't really do much, honestly. _________________ -Ian
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16970 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Somebody who had their Honda stolen told me the reason was that a single Honda key would fit several different cars.
What you’re trying to do it make it hard for someone to steal so they’ll leave. A determined thief can take just about anything _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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I'm going with a multi-prong approach. Disable the ignition, lock the engine lid, rear-wheel and tire removed, an oil field chain around the front axle beam, locked to a pipe fence, and a planned Lojack system. Covers the bases. As these things go up in value, $600 isn't too much moola. I don't know if they have coverage in this area.. probably not.... I live close to Mexico, so I am concerned about it. Vehicles go missing around here and are never seen again. One of my old Snap-on dealers had a truck stolen and was purported to be in the custody of a Chief of Police in Villa Acuna, Mexico. Driving it around like he owned it. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
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ASE Master Certification
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16878 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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someone on FB posted their single cab was stolen from a locked storage unit. word on the street is thieves are sticking tracking units on cars and following them to places they park. they stake out the car and finally steal it.
do your best in terms of security, insure the fuck out of it and keep a close eye on things is about the best you can do. _________________
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Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16970 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Having the right insurance company helps. I use American collectors through my
Regular USAA that I’ve used for 40 years. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Cap10323 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 604 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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aeromech wrote: |
Somebody who had their Honda stolen told me the reason was that a single Honda key would fit several different cars.
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This is true for most 90's Japanese cars. For example, Subarus from 92-00 literally used less than 20 separate blanks. Speaking from experience, once they wear a little bit, they might as well have 3 blanks.
I was told this was because the Japanese have an exceptionally safe society, where car theft is almost a non-issue. _________________ -Ian
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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CA DMV lost all their data to computer hackers according to new articles. The hackers can sell VIN and location.
That said, I forgot about the Trunk Money option. Funnier than hell.
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AS350driver Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2016 Posts: 1340 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:27 am Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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rugblaster wrote: |
I'm going with a multi-prong approach. Disable the ignition, lock the engine lid, rear-wheel and tire removed, an oil field chain around the front axle beam, locked to a pipe fence, and a planned Lojack system. Covers the bases. As these things go up in value, $600 isn't too much moola. I don't know if they have coverage in this area.. probably not.... I live close to Mexico, so I am concerned about it. Vehicles go missing around here and are never seen again. One of my old Snap-on dealers had a truck stolen and was purported to be in the custody of a Chief of Police in Villa Acuna, Mexico. Driving it around like he owned it. |
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. He was in El Paso for work and his brand new Silverado got stolen. Only 2 weeks old. Insurance company detective found it in Juarez and the police there recovered it, but seized it and made it a police vehicle. Insurance wouldn’t pay out because it was “recovered” by police, even though the Mexican police wouldn’t give it back. He had to keep making payments til he paid it off, or risk losing his security clearance for bad credit.
Removing the ignition rotor is a quick and easy trick to prevent a bus from being driven away. If I’m going out of town and feeling really paranoid, I’ll jack up a wheel, pop the hubcap, and adjust the drum brake completely tight with the adjusting stars. When you return , Re adjust that drum to unlock it. Next trip , pick a different wheel to do it to. Hard for thieves to drag it away with even one locked drum, and you keep the brakes nice and continually adjusted. Some thieves in Tucson (there’s tons of them and few cops) were smart enough to bring a rotor and got my 73 Thing running, but my wheel/brake/lug nut tricks saved me. They did ruin the switch , column lock, and bearing though. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:52 am Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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A lawyer would end that scenario quickly. _________________ .ssS! |
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1171 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:25 am Post subject: Re: best anti-theft measure for bus? |
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Lawyer???
In Mexico???
Laugh out loud!!! "We don't need no stinkin' lawyers!!!" *said in a bandit accent* _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
VWoA Assoc. of Quality Technicians inductee (One of 25 in the five state southwest region)
La Confrerie des Chevaliers du Tastevin (San Angelo Chapter)
TCU ......GO FROGS!!!!!! |
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