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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:41 am Post subject: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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I removed the steering damper from my 1971 Super Beetle. There is resistance, but I was wondering if it should rebound when compressed?
So does anyone know this? I obviously do not have a brand-new one to compare to it, thanks. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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raydog Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Cusser, I have a new one in a box. It does not rebound on its own, but you should have resistance in both directions. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4025 Location: WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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If it's old and you have it out just replace it. There must have been some shake or something for you to remove it. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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raydog wrote: |
Cusser, I have a new one in a box. It does not rebound on its own, but you should have resistance in both directions. |
Thanks, I do understand that it's tough to determine how much force is OK, I do know there is some force on mine, but no leakage. I'm guessing I replaced the steering damper 20 years ago.
Yes, I am having some steering wheel shake, does not feel like when I had "Super Beetle Shimmy" issues 2 decades ago. When I had the front end jacked up, was very easy for me to grab a tire at 3 and 9 o'clock and turn to left and right that way.
Anyway, decided it was time to rotate the tires front to back anyway, so will see if that's better/worse/same, then decide in a week whether to get a new damper.
New unit is about $30 from Amazon. Rock Auto wants $9 shipping, FedEx ground, so more expensive. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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I replaced the steering damper January 1997. I purchased Gabriel #14005 through Pep Boys, have the receipt, which states Lifetime Warranty.
I sent an E-mail with a scan of the receipt to Pep Boys and to Gabriel, will see if they respond. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 853 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:19 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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They very likely will insist you send it to them for testing to determine it's deficiencies. _________________ '73 super. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4025 Location: WA
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:53 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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$30 every 20+ years, just buy a new one. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Igpoe wrote: |
They very likely will insist you send it to them for testing to determine it's deficiencies. |
Gabriel didn't ask for my 1973-purchased shock absorbers 4.5 years ago, had the receipts; they just sent me replacements, which are still on my 1970.
If I'd need to ship it back, then it's just not going to happen....if Pep Boys will honor it, that's like 5 miles away. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 853 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Congrats on your optimism! Hope it works out for ya! _________________ '73 super. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:43 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Igpoe wrote: |
Congrats on your optimism! Hope it works out for ya! |
Thanks.
With me still having the receipt stating lifetime warranty, I just "gots to" try !!!
Yes, most parts with lifetime warranty are sold under the expectation that someone will no longer have that vehicle !!!
A few months ago, I "cashed in" lifetime warranty on the brake master cylinder on this VW, from Autozone, about 20 years old. These days Autozone and O'Reilly keep computer record of your purchases/warranties (by your phone number). _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Cusser wrote: |
I replaced the steering damper January 1997. I purchased Gabriel #14005 through Pep Boys, have the receipt, which states Lifetime Warranty.
I sent an E-mail with a scan of the receipt to Pep Boys and to Gabriel, will see if they respond. |
Almost 3 work days, it looks like both Pep Boys and Gabriel are ghosting me !!!
Let me see....guess who I won;t be doing business with in the future, at minimum they should each respond to inquiries.
Wait a minute: "we're experiencing a greater than normal volume of inquiries right now" - how many times have you heard that in the last few years as companies cut staffing ???? _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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viiking Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2013 Posts: 2668 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Many/most places give you the photosensitive receipt that fades away to illegibility quickly. Call me cynical but I wonder how many warranties get honoured that way. I scan all my important ones or take a photo and archive.
I will say however that I bought myself an expensive 1/2” socket set for my 21st Birthday with a lifetime warranty. I recently broke the extension handle and took it back to just any old shop selling them. I was asked for a receipt but when I said it was 45 years ago and no I didn’t have a receipt they cheerfully gave me a new one. Sure the new one won’t last as long but will outlast me. It’s a brand I don’t think you have in the US. A Sidchrome. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
Discharged: 1983 Vanagon, 1974 1800 Microbus,1968 Low Light,1968 Type 3 |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Take your old damper in to PepBoys in a plastic zip bag that has some oil in it and show them the receipt and tell them it's contaminating your driveway and you want a new one. Bet they give you one free. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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viiking wrote: |
Many/most places give you the photosensitive receipt that fades away to illegibility quickly. Call me cynical but I wonder how many warranties get honoured that way. I scan all my important ones or take a photo and archive. |
Good idea.
viiking wrote: |
I will say however that I bought myself an expensive 1/2” socket set for my 21st Birthday with a lifetime warranty. |
I have JC Penney Penncraft lifetime warranty combination wrenches purchased in 1971. I bet JC Penney would reimburse replacement cost, they haven't had hand tools in decades. These are good, as good as Craftsman of that vintage, just cost less.
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Take your old damper in to PepBoys in a plastic zip bag that has some oil in it and show them the receipt and tell them it's contaminating your driveway and you want a new one. Bet they give you one free. |
No, Pep Boys doesn't list that part any longer. But they might refund me, good idea. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Cusser wrote: |
Cusser wrote: |
I replaced the steering damper January 1997. I purchased Gabriel #14005 through Pep Boys, have the receipt, which states Lifetime Warranty.
I sent an E-mail with a scan of the receipt to Pep Boys and to Gabriel, will see if they respond. |
Almost 3 work days, it looks like both Pep Boys and Gabriel are ghosting me !!!
Let me see....guess who I won't be doing business with in the future, at minimum they should each respond to inquiries.
I called Pep Boys yesterday: we're experiencing a greater than normal volume of inquiries right now" - how many times have you heard that in the last few years as companies cut staffing ???? Anyway, Pep Boys took my call back number; but hasn't called. |
Well, I returned home mid-day today and found a brand-new steering stabilizer from Gabriel waiting for me. I never did get any E-mail acknowledgement from either Gabriel or Pep Boys.
Yes, the new damper has more resistance than the one on the VW; will install that this afternoon or tomorrow. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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empi3 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Does the new one have a "Lifetime Warranty", "Limited Lifetime Warranty" or no warranty?
Steven _________________ The fact someone posts a thousand messages a month does not mean the messages contain anything worth reading.
Bob Hoover
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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empi3 wrote: |
Does the new one have a "Lifetime Warranty", "Limited Lifetime Warranty" or no warranty?
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Great question. I am of the understanding that since it was originally purchased with lifetime warranty, then that original warranty is still in effect ! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Cusser wrote: |
Well, I returned home mid-day today and found a brand-new steering stabilizer from Gabriel waiting for me. I never did get any E-mail acknowledgement from either Gabriel or Pep Boys.
Yes, the new damper has more resistance than the one on the VW; will install that this afternoon or tomorrow. |
Installed the new steering damper, which had more resistance than the 23-year-oldexisting one. Took the VW for a test drive of a few miles, very satisfied with the ride. So rotating tires front to back (and adjusting pressures) and the new steering damper have made things so I no longer consider the steering an issue. So great !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Now go to Pep Boys with the old damper and receipt and if they can't honor it tell them you want a refund or store credit as it's defective. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super Beetle steering damper |
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Starbucket wrote: |
Now go to Pep Boys with the old damper and receipt and if they can't honor it tell them you want a refund or store credit as it's defective. |
That would not be playing fair.
That would be like buying one IRS drive shaft with lifetime warranty, then taking in the other old drive shaft for a "free" exchange... _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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