The 1600 "grenade", Placing bets

[brian rogers]

What is the VHT paint # ? I like the blueish silver color.

[Chickensoup]

[Chickensoup]

ok, who makes a good set of stock style valve adjusters? Is empi really my only choice? I got the body back on the car and have nearly wrapped up the brakes, and would like to take it for a spin(like thats possible with a stock 1600 ) once restore the rims ive got for it(baja tires eat into the rear fenders). right now i dont have the time to mess with the elephant feet unfortunately.

thanks

edit- ok, it looks like i lucked out and found some NOS german adjusters
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[Ceckert64]

It might surprise you when you go for a spin. After all, that trans was designed for a 40hp engine and with 65hp and no glass, you should zoom a bit

Edit: you don’t need fenders
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[Chickensoup]

65hp? maybe at sea level on a nice cool humid day and some nitro methane fuel

id say more like 49whp

i would remove the fenders... but the car looks tragically incomplete without em.
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-'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[Ceckert64]

[Chickensoup]

I'll see how fast I can top out. There's two freshly paved roads right outside my house

Yum. They be on the way. They German too. So no Brazilian or empi garbage.
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-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[Lingwendil]

Send me those elephant feet if you don't want them!
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[Chickensoup]

[Chickensoup]

Ayo WTF

First off, a rocker shaft bolt straight up decided to loosen. How?? It was torqued to spec. That explains the "knock" coming from that cylinder.

An even bigger WTF is this

These rings were absolutely 100% installed right side up. How on gods green earth did they rotate dead straight down?

The ring gaps were on the tight side too which doesn't make sense.

Those cylinders look like shit. Oh well. I removed them. Cleaned them. Re orientated the rings, and re installed. If it doesn't smoke ill be very surprised.

The good news is... bottom end is SOLID. End play good. No play i can feel in rods or wrist pins. Cam looks great. Lifters as well.

I have a spare non rotted dp head ill clean and throw new valves in. Should run better after all this.

But I am curious on how the rings moved position. They feel real spongy.
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-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[67rustavenger]

Looks like #4 was a dead hole. I can't recall seeing a piston that clean after running for a time.

Are the bottom of the #3,4 cylinders, gas washed?
I ask because of the staining where you say the rings reoriented.

If the rings are spongy feeling. Perhaps you overheated the engine at some point.
But how is that possible, when the car, is not driven much? <<<I'm speculating here.

And another question. What's up with the spooge on the top of the #4 intake valve spring? Also the oil looks like it has water in it, under the #3 valve springs.
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[Chickensoup]

They could be gas washed. I had a fuel pressure issue and it was running pig rich.

However, there was a pool of oil sitting at the bottom of the cylinder so I don't think thats it.

The number 3 cylinder is the one with the rotted head chamber. I don't think the valves were sealing. Like at all. The engine probably has 6 hours if run time. So not very much.

The rings felt spongy upon initial install. The cylinders are AA but the pistons? Idk. Not aa.

Yeah water keeps finding its way into the oil. Idk how. Very annoying.
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-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[Teeroy]

Rings rotate when the engine runs. Look like one of you pistons is installed backwards, both part numbers are closer to middle. They both should be to the front or both to the back of the hole
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[Rome]

One of those 2 pistons is oriented the wrong way... If you can see the "arrow" imprint which is usually found on the top of stock-type pistons, the arrow is supposed to point to the flywheel on all 4 pistons. If no arrow, then likely the writing should point to the FW- so that #3 was installed the wrong way?

[Chickensoup]

Yeah no arrow or dots on these but good catch.

Yes I remember now. The later model engines use offset pistons.

Although... both cylinders have the same issue.
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-'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[Teeroy]

Stock rods were offset, requiring the offset wrist pins. Early and late engines not just later. If no arrows, some pistons have a dot on the pin boss or a casting bump of some kind. Pistons all need to point the same way, the cylinders don't matter except they only fit with the flats facing each other
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[Chickensoup]

thanks for the info. lesson learned. dont rush just because you have a deadline. i thought 40hp had zero offset rods but i could be wrong.

the game plan then is drain the oil, tear down to a short block. clean up pistons and the other two cylinders. install pistons correctly. port heads and manifold. install with new valves. rebuild carb. see if she smokes.

if she does then... hone cylinders and try new rings? preferably not swiss cheesium rings lol.

im am interested in what kind of marking is going on with the cylinders tho. could oil cause those wash marks? it doesnt look scored to me. rather polished.

also note: that clean pistons combustion chamber is just as sooty as the others. so im confused.
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-'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

[modok]

If the pistons have a direction....it is because the pin may be offset closer to one skirt of the piston.
if the pin IS exactly in the center of the piston, then they can go either way.

IMo the easiest way to tell, is set the piston skirt up on a table and measure with calipers from the far side of the pin to out side of skirt, both ways, and see if it is the same or not.

[Chickensoup]

[modok]

The #1 choice of average joe would be a 240 or 320 grit silicone carbide dingleberry hone.
Dingleberry hones are made by "Brush Research" and "Osborne".

Some people love these things, and some hate them.
Personally, I don' like them, I don't use them, but many do.

I would lean more toward using a 180-220 grit "three stone" glaze breaker type hone to rough them up, and then wrap 400 grit wet/dry paper around it and do a handful of strokes with that for a finer finish. That's really old school method, but, still works.
OR maybe use a "ultra finish" plateau brush if you want to get more fancy instead of the wet/dry sandpaper trick, OR MAYBE fine scotch-brite instead of sandpaper.
But that WILL take a bit more experimentation and practice to get right. You may need a spare cylinder to torture to get it tuned-in.

Depends HOW DEEP you want to get into honing.
Average joe gets the job done too, so whatever, I'm not offended in any case.

Looks like there was some rust in the cylinders, but not really enough to worry about. looks "Etched" rather than rust, but it's the same thing.

Grant's regular cast rings are very good IMO, I have had zero problems with them.