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Bobnotch
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 Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:19 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder.
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder. |
Im certain this was my leak now. The heads don't look cracked just dirty.
You think this would have caused damage to the crankshaft as well? |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder. |
Im certain this was my leak now. The heads don't look cracked just dirty.
You think this would have caused damage to the crankshaft as well? |
Probably not. But bearings are cheap, and a good machinist can tell you if the journals need polishing. I've done that before on a VW Thing engine that had been sitting partly apart for 10 years.
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder. |
Im certain this was my leak now. The heads don't look cracked just dirty.
You think this would have caused damage to the crankshaft as well? |
Probably not. But bearings are cheap, and a good machinist can tell you if the journals need polishing. I've done that before on a VW Thing engine that had been sitting partly apart for 10 years. |
Cool. I was/am nervous about splitting the case, the case itself looks in good shape still. Im going to go ahead and strip the engine down and take it to the VW guy here. That way he can do that work inside the case and it doesn't burn a hole in my pocket. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder. |
Im certain this was my leak now. The heads don't look cracked just dirty.
You think this would have caused damage to the crankshaft as well? |
Probably not. But bearings are cheap, and a good machinist can tell you if the journals need polishing. I've done that before on a VW Thing engine that had been sitting partly apart for 10 years. |
Cool. I was/am nervous about splitting the case, the case itself looks in good shape still. Im going to go ahead and strip the engine down and take it to the VW guy here. That way he can do that work inside the case and it doesn't burn a hole in my pocket. |
Sounds like a good plan. If possible, see if you can watch/help him tear it down, that way you can familiarize yourself with what's going on in there. Also judging by how wet with oil that case was, I'd split it, and seal it up while I was in there. As Russ used to say, VW's aren't suppose to mark their spot.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| That's what I'd probably would do. Looks like #3 got hot, as the rings got stuck in the piston, which scored the cylinder. |
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Sounds like a good plan. If possible, see if you can watch/help him tear it down, that way you can familiarize yourself with what's going on in there. Also judging by how wet with oil that case was, I'd split it, and seal it up while I was in there. As Russ used to say, VW's aren't suppose to mark their spot. |
I've always heard the term "vws love to mark their territory" i rather they not ha!
I have not been to the mechanic yet . Still need to take off the fan so at the shop at work I'm going to make a handle with holes for bolts to pull it off. I'm not cheap I promise, just broke. 
Are these heater boxes still good? I tried to clean them to get a better shot but i seems to have been getting leaked on for decades. Some of the ceramic is falling out of it too. |
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andybla
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:30 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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careful handling thos as they are wrapped in asbestos which can cause cancer  |
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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@andybla damn. I eat mcdonalds so i should be set on that anyways. Jokes aside thanks for the heads up.
@ceckert64 I should try to fix them since i want them. Don't really need them though for the one month that ot gets cold here.  |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| careful handling thos as they are wrapped in asbestos which can cause cancer |
Good news is that it isn’t asbestos and it’s been tested https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=733647&highlight=heater+box+wrap+asbestos
But none the less, it’s still probably better to be safe.
I didn’t think about that, but it would help with foggy windows. I need my heat when it’s -5 degrees Fahrenheit out in the winter (only that cold for one drive) and it gets cold here often. If you are not overly concerned about having heat you could even just use a high temp sealant over the holes. |
I was thinking about high temp sealant to fix the holes too.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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Get rid of the Fugly wrapping!
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Get rid of the Fugly wrapping! |
Might not be a bad idea, that way you can see how much rust out is hiding in the longer sections. For the smaller holes I'd either go high temp silicone, or patch it up with some left over aluminum from doing the lower part. Cut the pieces to fit, then silicone them in place (like up near the exhaust port on that one. It probably won't be permanent, but it'll buy you time until you can find another set of t-3 ones.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Get rid of the Fugly wrapping! |
Might not be a bad idea, that way you can see how much rust out is hiding in the longer sections. For the smaller holes I'd either go high temp silicone, or patch it up with some left over aluminum from doing the lower part. Cut the pieces to fit, then silicone them in place (like up near the exhaust port on that one. It probably won't be permanent, but it'll buy you time until you can find another set of t-3 ones. |
So heater boxes are not supposed to be wrapped  !!!!
I been looking into them the past 2 days and comparing pictures of repos and ogs side by side. I wanted to go with J tubes since my heater channels are rusted bad. But i just would like to have them on. They look cool.
Also if i put them back on and connect them to the fan shroud but do not connect them heater outlets to the car will it let the hot air out to the engine? |
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W1K1
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:30 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| So heater boxes are not supposed to be wrapped Shocked !!!! |
stock T3 heater boxes were wrapped from the factory, it was a lamination of steel mesh, fiberglass and paint. they usually got pretty gross over the years with oil and dirt caked gunk
mine are wrapped in a modern equivalent , thin aluminum sheet, and fiberglass mat
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:48 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| So heater boxes are not supposed to be wrapped Shocked !!!! |
stock T3 heater boxes were wrapped from the factory, it was a lamination of steel mesh, fiberglass and paint. they usually got pretty gross over the years with oil and dirt caked gunk
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mine are wrapped in a modern equivalent , thin aluminum sheet, and fiberglass mat
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Looks nice. Might go with that. |
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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1&2 don't look as bad as 3&4
Also head 3&4 were missing this little piece
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Nahhhserio wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
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| Get rid of the Fugly wrapping! |
Might not be a bad idea, that way you can see how much rust out is hiding in the longer sections. For the smaller holes I'd either go high temp silicone, or patch it up with some left over aluminum from doing the lower part. Cut the pieces to fit, then silicone them in place (like up near the exhaust port on that one. It probably won't be permanent, but it'll buy you time until you can find another set of t-3 ones. |
So heater boxes are not supposed to be wrapped !!!!
I been looking into them the past 2 days and comparing pictures of repos and ogs side by side. I wanted to go with J tubes since my heater channels are rusted bad. But i just would like to have them on. They look cool.
Also if i put them back on and connect them to the fan shroud but do not connect them heater outlets to the car will it let the hot air out to the engine? |
They are supposed to be wrapped as that keeps the heat inside them (to warm the passenger compartment).
Yes, the heat exchangers help pull heat out of the heads, and if not hooked up to the body side should dump out under the car in front of the engine. The louvers on the car are where the engine draws in cooling air, so it should be fine. In fact the heat exchanger has a flap that opens when the heat is turned off (dumps it in front of the engine when open), which is basically doing what you want to do.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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| Nahhhserio wrote: |
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| Get rid of the Fugly wrapping! |
Might not be a bad idea, that way you can see how much rust out is hiding in the longer sections. For the smaller holes I'd either go high temp silicone, or patch it up with some left over aluminum from doing the lower part. Cut the pieces to fit, then silicone them in place (like up near the exhaust port on that one. It probably won't be permanent, but it'll buy you time until you can find another set of t-3 ones. |
So heater boxes are not supposed to be wrapped !!!!
I been looking into them the past 2 days and comparing pictures of repos and ogs side by side. I wanted to go with J tubes since my heater channels are rusted bad. But i just would like to have them on. They look cool.
Also if i put them back on and connect them to the fan shroud but do not connect them heater outlets to the car will it let the hot air out to the engine? |
They are supposed to be wrapped as that keeps the heat inside them (to warm the passenger compartment).
Yes, the heat exchangers help pull heat out of the heads, and if not hooked up to the body side should dump out under the car in front of the engine. The louvers on the car are where the engine draws in cooling air, so it should be fine. In fact the heat exchanger has a flap that opens when the heat is turned off (dumps it in front of the engine when open), which is basically doing what you want to do. |
Cool, that was my only doubt about hooking them up to the fan shroud. |
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Nahhhserio
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: 71 SB starterpack |
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My heads leak fuel. Not good and whats up with the crusty one , what could have caused that or does it look like a crappy rebuild?
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