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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am Post subject: Front disc brakes: What options are out there? |
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What options are there to replace the front disc brakes, without having to mill or change too much, i have an early type stub axle so have the Girling twin pot calipers on at the moment.
I dont have spacers on my setup as my alloys bolt straight on so i dont want to be altering too much. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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oh man...you're not a Sambanista until you use the force!
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1896 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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your lucky, your in the UK so you can purchase from Epytec:
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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yeah i used them for my rear disc conversion i done, good company. Im just wondering if i can change the caliper only but keep the original disc in place. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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as far as I know, there aren't any upgrades for the early front that doesn't involve altering alot of the parts..
I run the BMW calipers w/ mercedes vented rotor arrangement
which required the services of a machinist. they're not any larger in diam, so you can use the 14in wheels. they only add ventilation to the van. which I find should have been done from the factory as stock minimal.
but someone else may chime in.. I'd be curious to know as well.
steveo9007 wrote: |
What options are there to replace the front disc brakes, without having to mill or change too much, i have an early type stub axle so have the Girling twin pot calipers on at the moment.
I dont have spacers on my setup as my alloys bolt straight on so i dont want to be altering too much. |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
as far as I know, there aren't any upgrades for the early front that doesn't involve altering alot of the parts..
I run the BMW calipers w/ mercedes vented rotor arrangement
which required the services of a machinist. they're not any larger in diam, so you can use the 14in wheels. they only add ventilation to the van. which I find should have been done from the factory as stock minimal.
but someone else may chime in.. I'd be curious to know as well.
steveo9007 wrote: |
What options are there to replace the front disc brakes, without having to mill or change too much, i have an early type stub axle so have the Girling twin pot calipers on at the moment.
I dont have spacers on my setup as my alloys bolt straight on so i dont want to be altering too much. |
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yeah its a bit of an issue with my brick, as its an in between year so i have a late radius rod setup but with an early stub axle, i have seen some have machined the caliper mating surface down to accommodate other caliper carrier adapters to fit but im looking for a simple option. dunno why VW did this cos it causes me a headache when ordering parts for it as early and late parts have been fitted. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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Looking further it looks like an option is to fit a hub conversion kit like what Gowesty do, then no more replacing the bearings when fitting new discs, but still have to overcome the caliper fitting. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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valvecovergasket Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2018 Posts: 1492 Location: pnw
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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steveo9007 wrote: |
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yeah cheers for that, i am aware how this stuff works, searching is a nightmare on these forums sometimes so its easier and more to the point of getting an answer back. instead of trawling through millions of unwarranted threads |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17155 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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If I understand your question you have early calipers which are fixed and a piston on each side of the caliper? _________________ ☮️ |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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MarkWard wrote: |
If I understand your question you have early calipers which are fixed and a piston on each side of the caliper? |
yes this is correct. these are them split in half when i refurbed them a couple years ago, and my stub axle is an early one, LCA and Radius rod are late though.
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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My experience is that the early caliper design is better than the later floater design. I would not be so quick to toss them if the only change desired is different calipers.
This caliper can be modified for a vented rotor by adding a spacer between the halves. Porsche 911's used this caliper for quite a few years. _________________ ☮️ |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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MarkWard wrote: |
My experience is that the early caliper design is better than the later floater design. I would not be so quick to toss them if the only change desired is different calipers.
This caliper can be modified for a vented rotor by adding a spacer between the halves. Porsche 911's used this caliper for quite a few years. |
That’s interesting to know, any where I can read up on that if this is the case ?? _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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If you could find a period correct 911 calipers you'd have all you needed. Basically it's just a flat plate with bolt holes through it and a place for the O rings to seat.
I looked at adding vented rotors to our 82, but the steering knuckle is right up against the disc already, so the only way to add a vented disc is for it to be on the out board side which might make it difficult to center the caliper on the wider disc using the stock mounting. _________________ ☮️ |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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MarkWard wrote: |
If you could find a period correct 911 calipers you'd have all you needed. Basically it's just a flat plate with bolt holes through it and a place for the O rings to seat.
I looked at adding vented rotors to our 82, but the steering knuckle is right up against the disc already, so the only way to add a vented disc is for it to be on the out board side which might make it difficult to center the caliper on the wider disc using the stock mounting. |
thanks for the info i will have a search. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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steveo9007 wrote: |
MarkWard wrote: |
If you could find a period correct 911 calipers you'd have all you needed. Basically it's just a flat plate with bolt holes through it and a place for the O rings to seat.
I looked at adding vented rotors to our 82, but the steering knuckle is right up against the disc already, so the only way to add a vented disc is for it to be on the out board side which might make it difficult to center the caliper on the wider disc using the stock mounting. |
thanks for the info i will have a search. |
i see what you mean now
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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what braking problems are you having? _________________ .... |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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indeed how hilly is the UK?
I didn't need updated brakes will I went to the Mountains.. real Mountains..
where before I'd have to engine brake and still have fade.. yes I flush brake fluids and replace pads before they're old/glazed..
so I went with the BMW 7 series caliper and Mercedes 300 rotor option.
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steveo9007 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2021 Posts: 31 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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Merian wrote: |
what braking problems are you having? |
not having braking problems they are good, im just looking at options that's all, i have rear disc converted my van now so they are good all round. _________________ 85 Autosleeper KY Engine, ALD Box |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brakes, what options are out there |
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