56 Nose Cone

[lumbee]

Hey folks! After a few years under the shed, I finally dragged out the Oval to get it back on the road. Last time it ran, it shifted rough. No grinding or popping out of gear but I would get a thud when letting out on the clutch in addition to some movement of the shifter when accelerating and decelerating.

The mounts are all chewed up so I am going to replace them, but the nose cone looks pretty munged up also. I'm guessing the best thing is to replace it? I've done some googling and am not finding any nose cones earlier than 59. Any suggestions on where I can find one, or will one of the later models fit?

Here is a pic for reference.

[sgmalt46]

that is not a 56 trans. it would of came with a split case . clean the crud off the nosecone and find the part number. it is most likely a bus nosecone 211 301 205h
that is what is normally used to install a later tunnel trans in a early car.
looks like it was ground down ? it may be ok. I would change it . trans is 61 on up.

Steve
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

I'll look for some numbers. Any suggestions on where they might be?

Also, should there be a brass bushing in sticking out the end? I guess I could just replace that, but a new nose cone does not seem too pricey so I'd just assume replace.

[sgmalt46]

it's on the flat side on the left. easy to find. part # 211 301 205h .
no nothing sticks out of it. later /replacement nosecones have a push on seal.
that looks like a early one .
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

Here is a pic of the numbers. Doesn't look to be a split case. Here are the numbers:

[sgmalt46]

nope not a split case. numbers look to be to be a tunnel trans from 63. a split case would look like your motor. it splits in half to re-build . hence the name.
the 133 # is the part # the other is the serial # . look ON the nosecone for the #.

Steve

one from a tunnel trans beetle hence the 113 #
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[sgmalt46]

split case.
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

OK..here's the nose cone numbers; 1960?

[sgmalt46]

nope. 1960 beetle was still a split case. the nosecone from a split case will not fit on 61-on up trans they do not interchange. they hacked the end of the one you have to make it fit and kind of work. it sit's the nose higher . that is why you have rough shifting most likely. you need 211 301 205h and hockey stick.
I looked around a little can't find any in stock new.

the pic of the nosecone above is not the one on the split case trans sorry to confuse.
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

Found one here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/123110987231?epid=25022742668

Is there an article or thread you can share that explains what the hockey shit does? If it's angled up like that how will it connect to the shift coupler?

[lumbee]

Wait...methinks the angled part goes inside the trans I think I get it. Thanks everyone for the help here, but stand by, I may have more quesitons.

[sgmalt46]

ok here is what you need.
211 301 205H nosecone
113 311 541 hockey stick
211 301 265A mount
211 301 215 gasket
113 301 229A plug for reverse light switch hole .
I looked at / rancho transmissions /weddle / Wolfsburg west/ cip1
everyone out of stock. try them. call get on the waiting list?
must be a virus related issue .

Steve

edit: (mooreparts.com) has the nosecone ! erco brand .
the only one I found looks like have in stock. don't know if they have the rest.
714-666-6688
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

Thanks for that list @smg; aircooled.net seems to have everything except for the hockey shift. Here is the list I have:

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Transmission-Nose-Cone-211-301-205H-p/211-301-205h.htm

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/SearchResults.asp?Search=plug+reverse&x=0&y=0

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Backup-Light-Switch-Seal-N0138161-p/n0138161.htm

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Transmission-Gasket-Set-1961-Type-1-and-3s-p/111-398-005abr.htm (won't use all of these, but its only a few bucks more and I may go ahead and replace the input shaft seal)

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Transmission-Mount-Front-211301265-p/211-301-265a.htm

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/CB-Rhino-Transmission-Mounts-F-R-CB6211-p/cb6212.htm

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Swing-Axle-Boot-Seamless-Each-111-501-151-p/111-501-151.htm

...and the hockey stick from Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/123110987231?epid=25022742668

Would appreciate the sanity check on these.

[sgmalt46]

I would not use the cb rhino mounts myself . unless you like noise. unless your running a big motor or something. the seamless boots are not worth the hassle .
super pain to install got to taking the axle tubes off . get split boots.
install seam at 8 or 2 o'clock. what I would do. not sure on the EMPI
hockey stick. does not show the factory part#? I would make sure it is correct
vw # 113 311 541 . I would try to get elsewhere . EMPI = crappy china part.
edit again: wolfburgwest.com has the hockey stick in stock. $20 not sure
what brand they sell . usually they sell good parts .
Steve.
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

Good info, thanks for the advice Steve! 🙏

[lumbee]

Can I use these instead of the rhino mounts?

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Urethane-Transmission-Mounts-1961-72-Type-1-3-p/6519-6519-bl.htm

Can't tell if its the same part. About 1/3 the price of the rhinos.

[sgmalt46]

those are probably worse noise makers than the rhino's . those are different.
I would use rhino's over the red urethane one's . the wolfsburgwest duro-meter
one's are a little firmer than stock. without added noise. my choice.
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55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG

[lumbee]

Placed this order with aircooled.net after about a gazillion warnings that "Due to COVID supplies are low...expect backorders" 🙄. Considering the bug is on stands in my neighbours garage I may own him more than a few beers while we wait 🍻

Part Number Item QTY PRICE PER Grand Total
211-301-205H Transmission Nose Cone (aka: Gearshift Housing), 1959-67 Type 2, 211-301-205H
1 $69.95 $69.95
111-598-021AEC Swing Axle Boot Kit, Economy, 111-598-021AEC (sold per side)
2 $11.95 $23.90
111-598-051A Rear Axle Seal Kit, Swing Axle Type 1, 2, and 3, 111-598-051A
2 $7.95 $15.90
CB6212 CB Rhino Transmission Mounts, Front and Rear, 49-72 Type 1, 50-67 Type 2, 64-73 Type 3, Set of 3, CB6212
1 $64.95 $64.95
211-301-265A Transmission Mount, 1952-59 Type 1 and 1963-67 Type 2, Front, 211-301-265A
1 $14.95 $14.95
111-398-005ABR Transmission Gasket Set, 1961-66 and 69+ Type 1 and 3s, and 61-66 Type 2, 111-398-005ABR
1 $11.95 $11.95
113-311-541C Transmission Shift Lever (Hockey Stick), 1961-79 Type 1, 1960-67 Type 2, and 1966-74 Type 3, 113-311-541C
1 $22.95 $22.95
N0138161 Backup Light Switch (Reverse Light Switch) SEAL, All Models with Manual Transmission, EACH, N0138161
1 $1.95 $1.95
REVERSE-LIGHT-SWITCH-PLUG Reverse Light Switch BLANKING PLUG, Goes In Transmission Nose Cone (aka: Gearshift Housing), EACH
1 $5.95 $5.95
111-301-289D-111-289B Transmission Nose Cone Boot, 1961-79 Type 1 and 2, 111-301-289D-111-289B
1 $8.95 $8.95

Parts Subtotal: $241.40
Tax: $0.00
Shipping Cost: $42.47
Grand Total: $283.87

[lumbee]

Quick shout out to https://www.chircoestore.com/; they had all the parts I needed save the reverse plug.