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bobbyblack 
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:37 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| valvecovergasket wrote: |
i wonder how different the van ecu is v. the fwd digi1 box that it sounds like was the springboard for some of this work.
if you could get one of those (sadly also pretty rare...) and reflash it for the van it may open up a few more sources for ecus? |
Ya, I was ruminating over the initial discussion about how/where this whole project started, being similar, etc to another product DM was digging into. What models came with that other ECM/ECU?
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| valvecovergasket wrote: |
| bobbyblack wrote: |
Not sure on this, but seems like there are a limited number of D version ECU's.
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i wonder how different the van ecu is v. the fwd digi1 box that it sounds like was the springboard for some of this work.
if you could get one of those (sadly also pretty rare...) and reflash it for the van it may open up a few more sources for ecus? |
If you are talking about the Digifant1 ECU used on the Supercharged engine, that can be converted. The pressure sensor would need to be removed, and some components removed, changed and added. Interestingly, they use the exact same main and daughter boards, but the Vanagon version has items removed because it doesn't have cylinder selective knock control and it doesn't control the ISV
Search for 1.8L G60 - some part numbers below (manual trans only)
037906022 B
037906022 DP
037906022 CR
037906022 CQ
037906022 EG
037906022 EH
037906022 DM
037906022 DP
037906022 DQ
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valvecovergasket
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:42 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| DigiMatrix wrote: |
If you are talking about the Digifant1 ECU used on the Supercharged engine, that can be converted. The pressure sensor would need to be removed, and some components removed, changed and added. Interestingly, they use the exact same main and daughter boards, but the Vanagon version has items removed because it doesn't have cylinder selective knock control and it doesn't control the ISV |
yup thats the one i was thinking of!
its been almost 20 years now i think that i was messing around with running 16vTs on junkyard digi1 setups so my memory is pretty hazy...
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| What models came with that other ECM/ECU? |
from what i recall it was only the g60 cars - corrado here in the states, and also the uber rare passats in canada.
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:35 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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PM's have been sent to the first 10 people on the list interested in purchasing the emulator. If you haven't received a pm, please be paitient. I hope to have the remaining 10 from the first run completely tested this coming weekend.
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dabaron
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| DigiMatrix wrote: |
| PM's have been sent to the first 10 people on the list interested in purchasing the emulator. If you haven't received a pm, please be paitient. I hope to have the remaining 10 from the first run completely tested this coming weekend. |
Rock Starr!
anyone have a suggestion for the cheapest Android device that will work with this 
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DuncanS
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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My post about pricing? Here is a guy who doesn't have the necessary Android device and so this is an incremental cost. He wasn't worried about it and ordered one anyway. Nor do I. So our emulators won't cost $150, but something much more and we aren't worried about it. There is obvious elasticity here.
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
My post about pricing? Here is a guy who doesn't have the necessary Android device and so this is an incremental cost. He wasn't worried about it and ordered one anyway. Nor do I. So our emulators won't cost $150, but something much more and we aren't worried about it. There is obvious elasticity here.
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I realize there is more money to be made, but quite honestly, this is a hobby for me and is not about money. I thought long and hard about even offering this at all because I guarantee I will be asked a lot of questions until everyone else is intimately familiar with what the emulator can do. I decided I wanted to help others and give back to the community, so I am.
Thank you for being concerned, I appreciate it.
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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For the amount of work he has done and time involved the price is a steal!
...and you should TIP HIM!
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DuncanS
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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You bet, and I will. My son used to work in Boston restaurants while putting himself through grad school. He waited on Manny Ramirez, the colorful Red Sox outfielder. Known throughout the Boston restaurant community, Manny would always tip 100%. I might not go that high, but he certainly needs to be recognized for his contribution .
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:54 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| CessnaJon wrote: |
| Very excited about this. Any significant difference between the ALDL program or tunerpro? I am not at all familiar with either. |
I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed this question. Either program will show the same information for diagnostics, but TunerProRT allows for changing the tune and showing which part of the tuning tables are being accessed by the ECU - called "data tracing".
One significant difference is TunerProRT isn't as straight forward when trying to switch banks or turn on the immobilizer feature - ALDLdroid is just a "Long" press of a button to do this. There is a windows application that is for the Emulator that works in windows that can be used to switch banks, set immobilizer and set the Bluetooth PIN if you are not using an Android device.
Both of these programs have a bit of a learning curve.
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:01 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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First 10 Emulators have now been shipped - finally!  Information on tracking will be emailed tonight. Moving on to the final testing of the next 10, once those are sent, I will begin assembling the next batch of 20.
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valvecovergasket
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:55 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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nice!
whos gonna be the first to start tuning?
seems like it would be worthwhile for the userbase to start collecting good fuel and spark maps to share
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:15 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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Woo-Hoo! I got a tracking number!
It's coming by dogsled and will arrive on the 28th!
(that's a good thing really. it will give me time to read the manual!)
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:32 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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It's coming by dogsled and will arrive on the 28th!
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Better start reading, the dogsled team must got some traction when they got to San Francisco. Should now arrive on Sep 20th.
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bobbyblack
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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The guy with the ad for the "d" $190 ECM could not find it in his pile.. Sad.
There IS one D on the classifieds today tho, but I can't pay $650
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2350361
I'll lurk some more. I know.... having more than one "D" is probably tempting fate anyway.
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michaelasnider
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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| DigiMatrix wrote: |
| Steve M. wrote: |
It's coming by dogsled and will arrive on the 28th!
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Better start reading, the dogsled team must got some traction when they got to San Francisco. Should now arrive on Sep 20th. |
What do you Canadians feed those dogs?
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DigiMatrix
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:35 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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So I have been informed that at least one person has received their Emulator so far, which is good news. A little update, I am doing the final burn in of the last 4 for the next shipment and will be adding the short wire (so you don't have to go looking for one) and packaging them up for shipment this coming week. I will contacting the remaining people of this first run this coming week.
I also just realized I messed up some tracking numbers, so I have resent the proper ones to those I messed up on.
Some will be delivered on Monday. Who is going to be the first to post a screen shot of theirs working?
For those waiting for the second run, I will begin on those this coming week.
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:35 am Post subject: Re: WBX Emulator - real time data, onboard diagnostics and tuning |
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Mine is on the USPS truck out for delivery today.
Now I'll just need to find time to play with it!
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