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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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For me, my VW's story is as interesting to me as the car itself. A big part of that is where it started its life after it left the factory. In my case, that was Gus Mozart Motors in Palo Alto (I bought it in Maryland over 50 years later). The frames I found and restored make for a good conversation starter at shows, etc.

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After looking for a Victory Sales (Portsmouth , Va) frame forever and not finding, I nearly gave up. Then my father and mother died.......had to clean house, and low and behold there was a plate frame I had purchased on the 1966 VW sedan, in the bottom of a box he had packed up in 1970 when I went into the service. Miracles do happen everyday! Oh and another 50 years later story.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Don’t assume all VW people value dealer frames so much! I like them; they’re cool and especially if they’re original to the vehicle or special to the owner. I could give a crap less


This is my sentiment, too. But when it comes to YOM license plates, that's a different story. I will spend some $$ for the right weight code, county code and condition. I love to run YOM number plates on all my old cars.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Don’t assume all VW people value dealer frames so much! I like them; they’re cool and especially if they’re original to the vehicle or special to the owner. I could give a crap less


This is my sentiment, too. But when it comes to YOM license plates, that's a different story. I will spend some $$ for the right weight code, county code and condition. I love to run YOM number plates on all my old cars.

True, those can go for a lot too.

I'm glad the Arizona vintage plates are not really in demand and cheap, at least compared to CA yellow/black plates.

I think the one on my '63 Bus was around $30
(Hard to remember now)

I did pay more than later AZ plates for my 1954 plate/55 attachment piece though:
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The early big format plate frames can be big $$$ sometimes too since they are often unique from state-to-state.
I have seen very few of the Arizona ones but a lot of different ones from California
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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67 Florida Deluxe wrote:
62DoKaGuy wrote:
Don’t assume all VW people value dealer frames so much! I like them; they’re cool and especially if they’re original to the vehicle or special to the owner. I could give a crap less


This is my sentiment, too. But when it comes to YOM license plates, that's a different story. I will spend some $$ for the right weight code, county code and condition. I love to run YOM number plates on all my old cars.

True, those can go for a lot too.

I'm glad the Arizona vintage plates are not really in demand and cheap, at least compared to CA yellow/black plates.

I think the one on my '63 Bus was around $30
(Hard to remember now)

I did pay more than later AZ plates for my 1954 plate/55 attachment piece though:
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The early big format plate frames can be big $$$ sometimes too since they are often unique from state-to-state.
I have seen very few of the Arizona ones but a lot of different ones from California


Not to veer too far off course, EB, but where's a good resource to learn which AZ vintage plate/plates would be correct for a '62 DC? I moved to Surprise and will eventually look to install an original-style plate vs the MVD-issued plate. Thanks.

(I like the original-to-vic or correct-by-state plates more than the frames themselves...well, unless it's the original-to-the-vehicle dealer frame haha some-antics).
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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A friend got the unfortunate task of clearing out a deceased friend’s garage of contents. While these weren’t VW parts, there was a large amount of parts/automotive memorabilia. One such stash was about 100 dealer plate frames from various local dealers of Ford/Chevy/Mopar from the last 50 years. While we were looking up some on eBay to see if there was any value in dealerships we personally knew of, none really created any buzz. So I started looking up some VW ones to show “the audience” at the computer, and we couldn’t understand why some had been sold for hundreds of dollars. Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes, none of them had the following the VW frames did.

What makes VW people so crazy for dealer plate frames? Was it simply that the new purchase of a VW was inexpensive, that a dealer plate created some significance the dealer really cared to throw in an elaborate plate frame garnish?



So I gotta ask, don't happen to have a Mose's VW plate frame in there do ya?
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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EverettB wrote:
67 Florida Deluxe wrote:
62DoKaGuy wrote:
Don’t assume all VW people value dealer frames so much! I like them; they’re cool and especially if they’re original to the vehicle or special to the owner. I could give a crap less


This is my sentiment, too. But when it comes to YOM license plates, that's a different story. I will spend some $$ for the right weight code, county code and condition. I love to run YOM number plates on all my old cars.

True, those can go for a lot too.

I'm glad the Arizona vintage plates are not really in demand and cheap, at least compared to CA yellow/black plates.

I think the one on my '63 Bus was around $30
(Hard to remember now)

I did pay more than later AZ plates for my 1954 plate/55 attachment piece though:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

The early big format plate frames can be big $$$ sometimes too since they are often unique from state-to-state.
I have seen very few of the Arizona ones but a lot of different ones from California


Not to veer too far off course, EB, but where's a good resource to learn which AZ vintage plate/plates would be correct for a '62 DC? I moved to Surprise and will eventually look to install an original-style plate vs the MVD-issued plate. Thanks.

(I like the original-to-vic or correct-by-state plates more than the frames themselves...well, unless it's the original-to-the-vehicle dealer frame haha some-antics).


This reference looks good
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Arizona

You want a 1961 plate with a 1962 sticker in your case, although I can't remember if they cared about the year sticker when I did it.

I put my actual expiration sticker on a little plate hanging below.
I don't have a great photo of it but you can sort of see it here on the lower right
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Supply and Demand?

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Holy smokes Shocked !! Given the prices of vintage Porsches, parts costs and just the nutty nature of some car enthusiasts, it only takes two who really want something to drive the auction price into the irrational.

We all know that a Porsche is nothing more than a rebodied VW that sells for 10 times as much, so it is only logical that anything "Porsche" fetches huge dolla. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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So I gotta ask, don't happen to have a Mose's VW plate frame in there do ya?


No, sorry, the frames were all American Car Dealerships.

The year of manufacture license plate is a unique thing. Pa had special white/purple designated plates for Antique/Classic, then they went to a plate similar appearing to the current modern plates with a Model T on it. It wasn’t until 2005 or so did they let you use yom plates. There are some hoops to jump through, in that you have to send a photo of the plate to the dmv so they can verify it’s a real plate, and that the numbers/letters are not presently being used. Then there are some additional fees. One issue with PA is, the NEWEST yom plate you can use for Antique/Classic is a plate from 1976. So if you have a 79 Super, or a 90 Vanagon, and didn’t want the modern issue Antique/Classic plate, you would have to use the 76 plate. Prices have risen slightly on the older issues purple/white plates, but others are less than $25 off of eBay. There are also companies that reproduce PA date stickers, so finding a plate that’s close to put the sticker you need is very simple.

I’m one NOT for plate frames. Whether I’ve seen to many stupid ones, or know too many people that didn’t get their deal at the dealership to feel they had to advertise for them, I just think it clutters up the plate area. Like any other judged item, I’m sure there those that gain acceptance, and those that loose it by having a frame. I would bet overall that points would be deducted at an actual show judged event for having a plate frame.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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This reference looks good
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Arizona

You want a 1961 plate with a 1962 sticker in your case, although I can't remember if they cared about the year sticker when I did it.

I put my actual expiration sticker on a little plate hanging below.
I don't have a great photo of it but you can sort of see it here on the lower right
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Ok, that’s what I’ve heard and thanks. I like your Cabazon picture haha thought about doing the same some day.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

Another opp for 3D print replicas in abs

If wankers will spend $x00 for the real thing , there is a market for $25 ones with COGS of 25 cents
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Another opp for 3D print replicas in abs

If wankers will spend $x00 for the real thing , there is a market for $25 ones with COGS of 25 cents


I've suggested this, too. If they incorporate the right fonts, and the embossed "arcs" and checkerboards just like originals, and can be spray-chromed, I'd easily pay $25+ for some.

I'm not sure what copyright/trademark issues there may be, though. If the dealership has closed, probably not so much.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

Missed that, sorry. Didn’t mean to ghost you.

I’ve got a three color 3D one but am evaluating the new kid on the block right now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Another opp for 3D print replicas in abs

If wankers will spend $x00 for the real thing , there is a market for $25 ones with COGS of 25 cents


I've suggested this, too. If they incorporate the right fonts, and the embossed "arcs" and checkerboards just like originals, and can be spray-chromed, I'd easily pay $25+ for some.

I'm not sure what copyright/trademark issues there may be, though. If the dealership has closed, probably not so much.


This is another thing imo against the frames being so unique. While it’s not going to be $25, you could easily reproduce any frame you want in 3D printed Bronze. Chrome it, and paint detail it, and no one would know the difference.

Another issue is if you do find that frame you’ve always wanted, and it isn’t in the best of shape, do you really want it on your freshly painted/restored vehicle?
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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Missed that, sorry. Didn’t mean to ghost you.

I’ve got a three color 3D one but am evaluating the new kid on the block right now.


Not at all! I'm just hoping someone will make these, and that we find a cheap "plastic chrome" process (like the old plastic models used to use), and then have an affordable alternative.

Let us know how it goes!
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

Sounds like a job for me Wink

So which frames are most popular?

If someone would like a copy, or will be generous, i can make a 3d printed product if i have a pencil rubbing which they could send me a pdf copy of.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

Dealership plate frames are neat, but to me they are just a novelty.

I have run my family's old dealership plate frames on my cars through the years though....again sentimental value for our family of our history.


Now, that being said- I did create a 'reproduction' of the dealership vinyl decal from my beetle's OG dealership, but I can't say that I would pay anymore than a few dollars for things like dealership frames or decals.

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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

I thought I read about who used to make the metal frames. I know they were often sourced locally, but there were some common sources in southern California, I thought. Lots of postwar machine shops and foundries in the Los Angeles/Orange County areas. Anyone got info? It might help when investigating fonts and other features if we could trace their origins.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

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I thought I read about who used to make the metal frames. I know they were often sourced locally, but there were some common sources in southern California, I thought. Lots of postwar machine shops and foundries in the Los Angeles/Orange County areas. Anyone got info? It might help when investigating fonts and other features if we could trace their origins.


Eric Zitzmann in NorCal had a grip of original stamps last I knew. Not sure which ones. They weren’t “Sherrill’s VW” or “Klamath Falls,” so I didn’t bother to note haha. I’d fly some repops without hesitation, since it’s cool just to find a previous dealership of the same, uncommon name.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

Ive got a few generous folks sending pensile rubbings, photo copies, measurements, photos, etc.

So now everyone will have their affordable clone frames Wink

KTPhill also brought up an interesting idea. Along with the dealership clone plates, custom plates may appeal?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: What is it with VW enthusiasts and Dealer Plate Frames? Reply with quote

More of a good thing. I started gathering this stuff at a salvage yard in the mid 1990s

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