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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: This is why |
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This 66 bug has been donated to the Route 66 museum and we have the task of making it somewhat operational and presentable again. How refreshing to see a mostly original numbers matching unmolested car. It hasn’t run in years but we did get it started and it sounded ok. No knocks no smoke but since it’s history was unknown we decided to pull the engine and strip to long block. The pictures do a better job explaining what we found.
This was under cylinder tin 3-4 side.
Oil cooler leak because the ear was busted off the cooler itself.
So much easier to chase down and fix all the discrepancies with engine out and we found trans mounts collapsed
Car has seen better days.
Working with a lift makes life much easier.
Don’t ask to borrow tools this cat will bite. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Car looks solid. too bad its being restored or fixed up as stock
IMO 66 is the best year for stock tho. maybe 67 if you can deal with the fenders and short decklid.
The ear sheering off the oil cooler seems to be very common on the early coolers. the same thing happened on my 40hp and when i was looking through boxes of coolers looking for a good one, many had the same damage.
As you may know, you cant find one of the valves(forget if its intake or exhaust for the 1300) new. BUT, if you cant find them NOS, you can buy 32mm or 35mm SS or regular valves, and just have them turned down, and re ground. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
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'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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I think the car is destined to sit inside the museum and they want it to appear period correct. Also it’s cheaper to go back stock or close to it. If it was me I’d probably build it 1600 single because most people cannot spot the difference but they sure run better.😀 |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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We went through the stash looking for good used oil cooler. I’ll be using 1970 cooler, it’s all I saved in a flat top and I’ve got more than one.
The cooler cleaned and painted ready to use.
More spares, you just never know 😀
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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the 1970 1600 has larger oil passages than the 1300 right? If so as you may already know you should use the green adapter seals that are tapered. cb cells them but if you dont already have some i can ship my set to you in an envelope. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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I've come across many coolers and I've never seen one with a broken lower tab. Speaking of tabs, those two on the right side are a one year only mid 1950's item. The brace for them is pretty rare. The one on the far right is early 36 hp. You have a 40 hp distributor on that engine last issued 1963. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Yes I’ve seen a few coolers broken at that mounting tab. Maybe from rough handling or perhaps vibration. This one was broken all the way and leaking a little and it was a running engine. Looking at the design through the years I can see they went with larger mounting studs, a better seal, offset from the shroud and aluminum to shed heat. They VW called it progressive refinement. I’d call it something else 😀 |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
the 1970 1600 has larger oil passages than the 1300 right? If so as you may already know you should use the green adapter seals that are tapered. cb cells them but if you dont already have some i can ship my set to you in an envelope. |
yes and thank you . He’s got the seals already that’s a kind offer. |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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"This is why", the tabs were welded to the top of those two coolers: to prevent vibration from cracking the lower tab... _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Engine cleaned and resealed
new tranny mounts
Mostly original unmolested 1966 wiring
Old guys working on a car
Looking better
Worms eye view |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Back at it today finishing things up. Got a clean fuel tank installed, ran a new fuel line alongside the tunnel passenger side per Bentley manual. Changed oil in transaxle. Installed fresh air hoses. Got it up to temp checked for overheating. Drained motor oil installed fresh. Then I got the car out on the road for first time since 1997. It’s got the smell.
This is dangerous
Finally we washed off all those years of dirt and grime. The people I’m working with are hell bent on repainting which will destroy the patina. I’m going to break out the Rupes with leveling compound to see what it looks like. More on that later. |
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sportin-wood Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Very cool, man! _________________ .
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aa390392 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Looking good James...paint looks fine.
Tomas _________________ .
getting grumpy & less tolerant!
55 ragtop
56 delux sedan
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9829 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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As you know, Jim, I'm a UUGE fan of original paint/"patina". However, I suspect that the subject vehicle has been repainted in a previous life. So, a fresh coat might be appropriate. |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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It's definitely been repainted at least once, the overspray on the heater hoses behind the dash gives it away. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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Yes on the paint I just wanted to see what if. I put maybe 30 minutes into it playing around with the buffer and compound. I used the tape to divide the car showing half done. Good thing too because the pad didn’t survive, need new one.
I have a stash of these seals NOS and they are still good. |
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: This is why |
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sjbartnik wrote: |
It's definitely been repainted at least once, the overspray on the heater hoses behind the dash gives it away. |
Respray in the original color was standard practice for dealers at trade-in time when paint was $10-15 per gallon. Sports cars were normally repainted "retail red," regardless of the original color. _________________ Thanks,
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: Re: This is why |
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This car went to a VW car show yesterday and was viewed by hundreds of people. A poll was taken and by about three to one they thought the car should not be painted. Sounds good but the paint is failing as evidenced by the tape pulling paint up when removed. This car has been in dry storage since 1997 so rust is minimal but seals have shrunken around windows letting moisture in. It’s at the point where it must be kept inside going forward to defeat the tin worm.
It’s out of my hands they will probably paint the car. They wanted it to run and it does. We will do brakes next week
In this picture engine has everything including the valve adjustment sticker and correct distributor installed, it runs like a watch. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: Re: This is why |
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You say it's pretty original and numbers matching. Cool.
What's the original mileage?
It's already been painted once it doesn't matter if you paint it again.
I mean let's be honest... It's a '66 and there are other super low miles all original ones out there.
Would I repaint it?
No because I'm generally lazy and would clean it up the best I could as-is and cruise it.
I can see a bunch if stuff I would do to make it look a lot better - new running board mats, massive clean up, all the normal mechanical stuff, etc. Redo interior too? _________________ How to Post Photos
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