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damagd Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2015 Posts: 247 Location: Lancaster, PA
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:03 pm Post subject: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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Not sure how this happened. None of my searches came up with a hole that big. Can I get away with welding a plate on only one side? What diameter is the hole supposed to be? How important is hole location? |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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Just went through this with an owners van. I have some copper plates with magnets. They came from Eastwood. I stuck it over the hole and mig welded the hole back up. I used a metal burr and grinding disk to reshape it. Came out nice. Pictures are on my phone. The thickness is specific to the replacement bushings. _________________ ☮️ |
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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I ave recently rebuilt both mounts on my westy which had suffered corrosion to the 3 plates that make up the mount oh passenger side and ovality to drivers side mount caused by the sawing action of the radius rod due to acceleration/braking forces.
if you are adept at fabrication and welding the job is ok to do if you dont mind lying on you back but i found a air driven cut off tool and die grinder with rotary burr invaluable .
you will need some 3mm plate steel and i cut inner and outer plates away first to deal with the 'sandwich filler' first then made a larger plate for the outer layers-all spot welded to each other and then finally welded around edges on the rear plate to stop corrosion getting behind the new plate layers.
I had a new OEM Mount to study and get hole position from so i had a advantage compared to you.
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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on the drivers side you can see the ovality but instead of just welding /grinding back to a hole i did same repair as corrosion had got under the folded plates again.
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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Nice repairs. How many hours total? Looks like about 4 a side. _________________ ☮️ |
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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so 2 months later and no issues Tracking wheel alignment all good and seeing as i replaced all track rod ends and wishbone bushes with powerflex bushes it rides beautifully and no more squeaking |
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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MarkWard wrote: |
Nice repairs. How many hours total? Looks like about 4 a side. |
i did repairs over a week i had off with a slow approach on the first repair and i suppose a day in total for the second side (i like english tea )
No rush for me as the weather was crap and i had plenty of weld to remove before next plate was welded and zinc based spray paint had cured.
Hole diameter for info is 35mm and hard work for all 3 plates in one go-a bimetal hole saw is a must (took 2 as milwaukee one gave up the ghost after first hole)
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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The top of the original hole should get you close to the stock location. If you do go forward with cutting and welding in a new plate, you can make a template from a folder and mark the top of the hole. Then use your template to transfer the hole to your welded in repair.
I’m going to guess, you are replacing bushings and found this and aren’t really equipped for a welded repair? If not, probably best to put it back together and take it to a shop that can do this type of repair. Since it locates the front suspension, it needs to be a solid repair. No dribble welds. _________________ ☮️ |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2559 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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i feel so lucky right now, the driver's side on mine was slightly oval shaped. i removed the radius rods first when doing my suspension overhaul just in case i needed to go get them welded back up.
rust never sleeps _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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randolph57 wrote: |
MarkWard wrote: |
Nice repairs. How many hours total? Looks like about 4 a side. |
i did repairs over a week i had off with a slow approach on the first repair and i suppose a day in total for the second side (i like english tea )
No rush for me as the weather was crap and i had plenty of weld to remove before next plate was welded and zinc based spray paint had cured.
Hole diameter for info is 35mm and hard work for all 3 plates in one go-a bimetal hole saw is a must (took 2 as milwaukee one gave up the ghost after first hole) |
It’s one of those jobs if you do it right it looks like you did nothing. I figured there was some time involved. Well executed. _________________ ☮️ |
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mellowslow Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2009 Posts: 278 Location: Vacationland
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damagd Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2015 Posts: 247 Location: Lancaster, PA
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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Thanks for that link mellow. Didn't know that was a possibility. But I figure that it's time to up my welding game and will spend the weekend practicing before attempting the repair. Thanks for the help guys! |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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The brickwerk panel might be overkill when you add shipping. A member above showed how to repair it with some scrap plate. I’d go that route. _________________ ☮️ |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10371 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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damage wrote: |
... But I figure that it's time to up my welding game and will spend the weekend practicing before attempting the repair. |
Wrong or right, I did that repair on my '81 with less MIG welding experience than I have now, which really isn't much.
AFAIK, repair is still holding. What I did. Caveat: this is beginner fabrication type work so take it with a grain of salt:
https://sites.google.com/site/tubaneil2/radiusarmholerepair
The plate type repair I did wasn't ideal but at the time, my thought was that by the time I compressed all the parts, there would be little if any gap remaining between each new rubber bushing.
This is a distant memory but IIRC, the metal at subframe is made up of layers in certain areas. i.e. one might get decent penetration into first layer with just a 110VAC MIG.
There might be pics in gallery of an undamaged radius rod hole in the gallery here. Can't find image of that from my '88 Westy. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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WillRB Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2020 Posts: 182 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Look at this worn, egged, oversized Radius Rod hole |
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Tackling some oval radius rod holes. Passenger side worse than Driver side. Planning to weld in some metal. Had a question about how the Powerflex metal cup should sit for sizing my hole. Should it be fairly snug in there?
Thanks!
-Will
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