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crd Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 467 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:48 pm Post subject: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Need a new shifter. Have an Empi/Hurst style trigger shifter with no maker logo on it. Cable is broken so can’t reach reverse.
I don’t like the T-handle style. I do like this one: http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Vintage-Speed-13-1-2-Speed-Shifter-155-795-50700-p/155-795-50700.htm
But it’s like 4x what I’d pay for an Empi one that is pretty close to my broken one. Anyone want to try to convince me why I should spend 4x the money on the Vintage Speed model?
Car is mostly stock DD look. Not a show car. Has a 1776, so it scoots around. _________________ libertarianism is, and always has been, bunk. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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EMPI
'nuff said. _________________ Glenn
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QRP Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 1710 Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD,CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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I actually like the empi ( Hurst copy ) style shifter.
I have an OG shifter in one car and the other 2 have the copy.
I couldn't tell the difference in feel between them. |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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I've been running the Empi/Hurst copy shifter for over 16 yrs. It's been a great shifter and it was used when I got it.
Make sure your shift rod is in good shape and if possible...install an adjustable rod end on the shift rod.
It will give you infinite adjustability and makes it simple to adjust the shifter for positive shifts. _________________
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Shanghai Paddles Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2008 Posts: 114 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:13 am Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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My ‘67 came with an EMPI T handle short shifter and I hated it. I switched it out for that Vintage Speed shifter and I absolutely love it. Looks awesome in the car, and shifts much more precise. I highly recommend the VS. _________________ 1967 Beetle, 1915cc. ~Daily driver~
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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vintage speed is very nice
berg also make a "ball" shifter instead of the "T" handle
If you buy your clothes at walmart though, empi will suit you fine- |
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dubman67 Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2003 Posts: 273 Location: Big Sky Country
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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vwinnovator wrote: |
vintage speed is very nice
berg also make a "ball" shifter instead of the "T" handle
If you buy your clothes at walmart though, empi will suit you fine- |
Lol. I buy my clothes at walmart so I can buy Berg _________________ 67 Bug
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richparker Samba Member
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6023 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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When I purchased my Berg Shifter years ago I after trying all I could find on the market, including cutting stock shifter down ( that steel is a bitch to cut ) for less travel and the Empi little quick shift kits.
Right off off I was amazed how the Berg instantly felt better, that said the shifters I have seen that have come after the Berg I cannot comment about, but they look amazing, and some have great reviews.
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2387 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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crd Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 467 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Well, I do really like the VS shifter. Annoyingly, it seems that the cast aluminum base isn’t available until August, while the other two CNC base options each add about $50 or $60 to the price. _________________ libertarianism is, and always has been, bunk. |
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j-dub Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2003 Posts: 865 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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My vote is for the Vintage Speed unit, that classic unit is what is in my car right now. I like it better than all the others I have tried. _________________ 1957 Oval rag
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6023 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7210 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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This series is one of the best if not the best shifter on the market today. https://www.csp-shop.com/en/transmission/shifter-c...1622930970
Many dragracers/weekend warriors in this region of the world have swopped from Berg to this due to the shifting precission.
If you like the look of a stock shifter or a Hurst style, then they are probably the ones to buy, but they are not in the same league as the CSP. For normal street use the difference between a Berg and a CSP is minor. I guess we can call it finetuning - and to some extend who likes the mom and who likes the daughter. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Does the reverse mechanism on the CSP shifter slide in the shaft, or does it have a sort of collar that slides up into the ball similar to the Hurst style ones? |
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crd Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 467 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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richparker wrote: |
Aircooled does not stock these shifters, they are dropped shipped from VS. looks like they are the same price in the VS website and they give you the additional option of getting the Porsche bushing to reduce vibration. I don’t see that option on Aircooleds site. I’ve never use a VS shifter, but it it’s like their exhaust systems I’m sure the quality is top notch.
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/CLASSIC-13-5-QUICK-SHIFTER-p87541270
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6023 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Alstrurp USA Dollars $334, it is expensive but when I bought my Berg I would say the cost of the Berg was about what the CSP is now.
It is never easy to part with money. I found eye glasses I loved but the price was 4 times of what a good pair i would normally buy.
My wife said " it is something you wear on your face every day and you think you look better wearing them. Go for it"
I look at shifters the same way. Think about it what is one of the most important parts on a car that allows you to really enjoy your ride, the shifter.
As soon as I got the Berg I knew I made the right choice, never looked back at spending the money. Nothing compared to it finally I was happy.
I did remove the Berg inscription on the shifter, my idea of a clean look.
Well that was until found my Vehicle Identification tag and thought it would look good on the Glove compartment door. The eye of the beholder thing!! _________________ email: [email protected]
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7210 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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[email protected] wrote: |
Does the reverse mechanism on the CSP shifter slide in the shaft, or does it have a sort of collar that slides up into the ball similar to the Hurst style ones? |
It slides into the ball _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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Bryan67 Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2003 Posts: 2940 Location: Fresno, Ca.
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Berg is the best. And they make one with a ball shift know too _________________ If you`re going to do something, do it right. |
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jeffrey8164 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 3815 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Convince me: Vintage Speed classic vs Empi shifter for 59 |
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Personally, I’ve never liked the T handles or trigger shifters.
I’ve always had a stock shifter with a simple short throw kit.
Shifts great. Never a problem with grabbing reverse instead of 2nd.
Plus, you can change shift knobs at will to suit your mood, the season or the theme of a show or event. _________________ Volkswagen!
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