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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:18 am Post subject: Trans break in |
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I have a new trans i put in recently and will be taking it for its first drive today or tomorrow. I was wondering if there was anything special i needed to do for a break in? If it matters it's 3:88 r&p and stock gears, super 1&2. Standard super diff, dual HD side covers, welded 3&4, steel forks, chromoly pinion retainer. I filled it with Redline heavy shockproof. New Empi axles as well.
I emailed the builder late in the day yesterday and the email came back as undeliverable, so i wasn't able to ask him because i didn't see it until after hours. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Hey Mike, New syncro's will be 'tight'/stiff ' shifting , but it will become 'easier' after a few hundred shifts,lol,J.K. it won't take that long _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Good to know Mike. I also put a new shifter and coupler on so i would be jacking with it like mad trying to get it to smooth out. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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UR gonna love that shifter over the stock one for sure _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Feels good already. It's not so smooth to get it gear yet, but everything is nice and tight and seems to have a nice short throw. |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2225 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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I’ve always had red poly shift couplers until recently. I figured new stock. Couldn’t wait to switch to a red poly one. Hate the spongey feel. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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To the OP question. On a rebuilt transaxle there isn't a break in process like an engine. I always put oil in the transaxle then spin the input shaft 20-30 revolutions to get everuthing lubed up inside. Once the trans is in the car I rotate the wheels another 10-15 times to get the diff all lubed up. Then drive it however you want and change the gear oil after 500 miles.
As mentioned if the syncr's are new they will be stiff shifting for the first few hundred miles. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Cool thanks guys |
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Ohio Tom Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: Marshallville Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Just run it.. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Advice I was given was to change fluid after 500 miles, and to avoid forcing any shifts... double clutch if needed, and it will get easier over time. I'd eyeball anything the magnetic drain plugs find. |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 871 Location: CO
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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buguy wrote: |
Good to know Mike. I also put a new shifter and coupler on so i would be jacking with it like mad trying to get it to smooth out. |
What shifter did you go with? |
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Ohio Tom Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: Marshallville Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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One thing worth noting about trans oil:
It has no detergents in it. It is designed to let particles fall out of suspension and lay in the bottom of the box. (and magnet).
If you have ever drained 40yr oil from an old gearbox, it looks like brand new.
The crud is all stuck to the bottom of the case.
That is by design.
I know folks recommend changing trans oil, but I don't see a need.
It really never goes bad. It doesn't break down. It doesn't fill with carbon.
All impurities settle out.
At $16/qt for Redline Shockproof oil, changing it gets expensive too.
I have even drained the oil, filtered it, and put it back in for race applications. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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I just use valvoline or pensioil 75-90syn for the first week or 2 then change it out after a good drive while some of the stuff is still suspended in the lube.. |
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Casting Timmy Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2012 Posts: 1221 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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I'd suggest a couple short trips to get some oil thrown around, stay off the highway for a little bit.
I'd suggest doing some neighborhood style driving for 15-30 minutes and go home and let it all cool down and check to make sure you got bolts checked for being tight and didn't forget anything. Then do a little longer trip and higher speeds.
The worst thing I think you can do with a new trans is fire the motor up at high RPM's and jump immediately on the highway for a long cruise. The mainshaft bearing drips out any oil from it when you try and prelube it, same as upper idler bearings. Those bearings really get oiled from the rear tires moving only, so give the rear tires some movement to get stuff oiled up good before a highway run. _________________ T1 IRS Rebuild Book on Lulu.com
http://www.lulu.com/shop/tim-marshall/t1-irs-transaxle-book/paperback/product-24055997.html
As seen in Volks America Issue 14 Page 11 (Full page review) |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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toxicavenger70 wrote: |
buguy wrote: |
Good to know Mike. I also put a new shifter and coupler on so i would be jacking with it like mad trying to get it to smooth out. |
What shifter did you go with? |
Empi trigger shifter with the ball. |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Last weekend i drove it around the parking lot at work for a dozen or laps. Moved it forward and backward a bunch of times too. I also put disk brakes all around on it so i was also testing that out.
This weekend i plan to drive it around the hood a little to check everything out. I had the car all apart doing a semi body on restoration. There is a car show next weekend i wouldn't mind going to. It's about a 45 minute drive. I do also have a trailer so driving it the whole way isn't a must. It will/would be the first time I've ever had it on an interstate since i got it in 1990. Running a 3:88 r&p with stock gears (.89 fourth) now on a super diff. 2054 efi turbo on E85. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Your Bug is No 'Trailer Queen'
Drive it !,,, Clone drives his to another State
I drive mine to a car show downstate about 3 1/2 hours( Atlanta,Mi to Vassar,mi)
I do trailer it to the Track going to a Show in my old neighborhood (Rockwood) in August 250 miles one way so I'm trailering _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Only real reason i would consider trailering it would be because it will only have 10 miles on a new trans, and maybe 20 miles on a new/rebuilt engine (and built by a novice!). |
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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My last couple fresh trans I put the cars on stands and let it idle along in each gear for a few minutes _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
Founder Derr Wheat Panzers (DWP)
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Trans break in |
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Bugguy, no point in putting in a 3.88 if your not gonna go on the freeway, go drive the crap out of it. All those years you've never driven it on the freeway? _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
Founder Derr Wheat Panzers (DWP)
ARR #3
www.autosportsnorthwest.org |
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