Engine and Transmission Mounts

[carguytroy]

Starting to gather missing parts for my sons 1974 Bay Window. It did not have and engine or transmission in it when we purchased it. I’ve sourced and engine and trans to go in it but all the mounts seem to be missing. I really don’t know what all is needed to hold them on the van so I’m wondering if someone would have to time to post a pic or list of what I should be searching for. I know I need a mustache bar but clueless on the rest.

[timvw7476]

There is a specific Type IV engine crossbar, it features a 'jog' in it, to clear the oil filter on the engine. That bar mounts to the body via two hanger 'cages', one per outer corner, three bolts per side to the body, two smaller center bolts attach the cage to the crossbar. The center of the crossbar has two holes, one for each side of the oil pump, two rubber bonded engine mounts pass a stud through each hole, and another stud rises out of the rubber bonding to pass through a steel mount on each side.

The total is seven pieces. Two hangers, two motor mounts. two engine to motor mounts, one crossbar.

As far as flywheel side, standard D bolt for starter side, plus two studs for the two lower mounts, some trans require shorter engine studs, some longer.
You may have to measure to find out the reach you need. They are all 17mm nuts as fasteners.

The trans mounts are a hanger assembly near the clutch, bolted to the body by rubber pucks. Two special bolts with lead-in nipples pass through it & the upper ears of the transaxle. I believe those are 15mm head IIRC.
The hanger has threaded bosses to retain them.
The front mount is a alloy strap bolted to the trans vertically, a special rubber bonded steel boss is trapped by the strap, the legs of that U shaped boss are fastened to the rear torsion area via a solid steel block & two vertical bolts.
I would search the samba classifieds for most of these, the mounts are still available new.

[Wildthings]

#10 is the "heavy hunk of steel". It bolts to the torsion housing. There are two styles, and I forget why, but the one with the dimples can be used either way (flipped upside down if you need the "flat" surface against the posts of the mount).

[aeromech]

If you bought a complete type 4 engine it would already have the rear hanger installed because it requires quite a bit of engine tear down to get to it
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[carguytroy]

You’re right. Looks like the ones mounted to the engine are there. The top mount for the trans is there in the engine compartment. So I need to source the mustache bar with frame brackets and the brackets and mounts for the front of the trans is all? Just trying to get a list together. I appreciate the help a lot. Here’s a couple of pics of what’s on the van.

[aeromech]

Appears that you have the transmission carrier. What pictures we need now are of the engine and transmission you bought
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[carguytroy]

Okay. Here’s a couple of pics of the engine and transmission. Transmission is a 3 rib. Engine is out of a 1978. Guy that owned it pulled it to do a Subaru swap. It’s fuel Injected and we have been cleaning the injection stuff up(new hose etc), pulling the tins to check for airflow and clean things up a bit so it’s a tad tore apart but I do see the brackets that are mounted to the back of the case in between the fan shroud and the case.

[aeromech]

Here’s my concerns

1) both engine and tranny look to used long and hard
2) tranny doesn’t match engine. 6rib needed.
3) tranny nose mount may not match bus
4) flywheel incompatible
5) does the bus have a fuel injection tank?
6) no airbox / AFM support bracket
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[Wildthings]

Wonder if the odd transmission hanger means its spent some time on a Dune Buggy? If you want to do highway speeds having a tranny geared to match your engine is helpful and its easier to connect the shift linkage if the tranny matches your model year. The clutch-flywheel-bellhousing-starter all need to match as well.

[carguytroy]

I have a flywheel to work with the trans. All the stuff I have will work together. Have a lot of parts. The air box etc I have. Just took things apart to clean between the cooling fins of the heads and the cylinders. Doing clean up first then going to work on firing it up etc before it goes in the bus. 3 rib trans is the right one for the year. I’ve researched all of that in another thread and reading till my eyes bleed on here.

[aeromech]

Well then I guess you know everything and therefore my help isn’t required.
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[ImAddicted]

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[aeromech]

Just asking but wildthings, what’s the buggie thing about? That rear hanger looks normal to me
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[Wildthings]

[aeromech]

I saw that too. Just didn’t know what it was. More evidence that the tranny might have been abused
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VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
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[Wildthings]

[Manfred58sc]

Put it all together and use it as a "going to town' Bus. Even with everything "right" these are too slow ( and dangerous) for modern driving conditions on intestates . That is why the PO went Subaru, I'm sure. Make sure you have a tachometer to keep an eye on the rpms. I've driven many a later Bus with 1600's , six rib transmission. They function and if you know what you are doing can be taken on state hwy trips.

Millions of miles have been logged by South American Bus's where most everything is/was "wrong".
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