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Poptopcamper Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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I read a while back on this forum that 33 foot pounds is the proper spec for CV joints. However my Bentley manual says 25 foot pounds. i have a 1978 Bay Riviera camper.? _________________ If you only have one tool in your tool box, and it's a hammer, pretty soon, everything looks like it needs to be whacked!
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Several have had better luck with the Vanagon specs (33) than the bay specs (25). When I rebuilt mine a while back, I did 33. _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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If you want them to come loose, torque them to the Bay spec of 24 ft*lbs, whereas if you want them to stay tight then torque them to the Vanagon spec of 33 ft*lbs. Lots of threads in the Bay forum about CV's coming loose, but few in the Vanagon forum even though the parts are the same and the Vanagon have more power and weigh more. |
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Poptopcamper Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2012 Posts: 490 Location: Sheridan, Wyoming
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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33 it is! Thanks.😎 _________________ If you only have one tool in your tool box, and it's a hammer, pretty soon, everything looks like it needs to be whacked!
1978 VW Riviera
2021 Dodge Ram 3/4 ton
2020 VW Tiguan
2001 Harley Electraglide Classic
1986 BMW R 800cc motorcycle
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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I have never been sure why VW listed 24 ft lbs.
You can look anywhere for standard DIN torque specs for a class 12.9, 8mm x 1.25 bolt and the lowest I can find is 31 ft lbs....and that is for coarse thread ...8mm x 1.25. The same chart below lists 33 ft lbs for fine thread...8mm x 1.0
https://www.fastenermart.com/files/metric_tighten_torques.pdf
But...I do find torque specs for class 12.9....8mm coarse thread....with zinc plating....at 25 ft lbs. I know for a fact that this is because teh zinc plating has a slight lubricating effect if its oxidized in the least.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Smoke tight and half a turn _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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aeromech wrote: |
Smoke tight and half a turn |
that's as good as tighten it till it's loose again then back off 90* _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Smoke tight and half a turn |
that's as good as tighten it till it's loose again then back off 90* |
Aw...dude...I know you know .....because you work on modern cars for a living. I am so damn tired of the freaking stretch bolts. About to do water pump, T-stat, hoses and intake manifold on my Golf.
Its an endless treadmill of new $7-10 bolts....and tighten them to X nm and then 90* further....and toss the old ones in the recycle!
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Aw...dude...I know you know .....because you work on modern cars for a living. I am so damn tired of the freaking stretch bolts. About to do water pump, T-stat, hoses and intake manifold on my Golf.
Its an endless treadmill of new $7-10 bolts....and tighten them to X nm and then 90* further....and toss the old ones in the recycle!
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yea...kind of sad. that and many are made of aluminum these days. _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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I confess it’s one of the joys of life to renew fasteners in a 20 year old Volvo but those BUFO hardware are also works of art. Luckily TASCA is pretty good pricing on this stuff.
I think way too many grope for the torque wrench instead of learning the art of fastener tightening by feel but that’s just one dumbass’ opinion. _________________ .ssS! |
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Poptopcamper Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2012 Posts: 490 Location: Sheridan, Wyoming
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Smoke tight and half a turn |
that's as good as tighten it till it's loose again then back off 90* |
A wise man on this forum told me that Two Grunts and Fart should be sufficient. 😎 _________________ If you only have one tool in your tool box, and it's a hammer, pretty soon, everything looks like it needs to be whacked!
1978 VW Riviera
2021 Dodge Ram 3/4 ton
2020 VW Tiguan
2001 Harley Electraglide Classic
1986 BMW R 800cc motorcycle
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Poptopcamper wrote: |
A wise man on this forum told me that Two Grunts and Fart should be sufficient. 😎 |
no that's axle nut torque, not axle shaft _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Poptopcamper wrote: |
A wise man on this forum told me that Two Grunts and Fart should be sufficient. 😎 |
no that's axle nut torque, not axle shaft _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Poptopcamper wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Smoke tight and half a turn |
that's as good as tighten it till it's loose again then back off 90* |
A wise man on this forum told me that Two Grunts and Fart should be sufficient. 😎 |
Maybe two grunts and a mega squirt? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Jrh5r Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2021 Posts: 33 Location: East coast
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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I had a cv joint come loose yesterday afternoon in the pouring rain. Had to pull over on the side of the road and use what bolts were left and limp home. About to go redo it now and add some medium loctite and check the other side. It was not a fun way to end the day, and don’t want that happening again. _________________ 1973 1.7L Bus |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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It happened to me once around 1986 at 2am on a dark road. That was the one and only time I’ve ever seen a loose cv. That said, torquing the cv bolts should be included in your maintenance schedule _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6985 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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Another easily searchable informative thread on The Samba. Many thanks!
I borrowed a torque wrench from the fleet mechanic at work this weekend so I could torque the heads on my beetle motor. I’m at 2000 miles on that motor now and figured I should get it done since it was gonna be nice this weekend.
While I had the wrench I decided that I should also torque the CVs on my bus. I recently rebuilt both axles using the Tiguan OEM VW boots and I’m hoping not to have to fuck with them for quite some time. Unfortunately I had one of the bolts stretch and break before I hit 33 fpt. 🤬
I decided to pull all the bolts out and see if I could access the broken part in the axle. Luckily I was and it threaded out by hand. 😅 I dug through my spare CV bolts and found a nice looking 12 pt bolt and installed it. Took an extra 15 minutes, but now they are all torqued to 33.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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don't know the problem. never had one come loose in 600,000 miles. Everyone using a good serrated / Schnorr washer under the bolt head? _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Jetfxr69 Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2018 Posts: 1293 Location: White mtns nh
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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agree with blue locktite, serrated washers, and a re-torque after a few miles. Had one come off on me prior to these steps as well. Havent lost one since. _________________ You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. Zappa
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Torque Spec for CV joints |
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I’ve never had any issues. Just figured since I’ve read about torquing them sooo many times I’d do it since I had the wrench for the weekend. I should just buy one. _________________ __________
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